Just a reminder that a third of the 7th of October's victims were from the military. If that's the criteria, regardless of the scale of the murders, then Israel is a worse terrorist than Hamas
Just a reminder that a third of the 7th of October's victims were from the military. If that's the criteria, regardless of the scale of the murders, then Israel is a worse terrorist than Hamas
From https://aoav.org.uk/2023/an-analysis-of-the-7th-of-october-2023-casualties-in-israel-as-a-result-of-the-hamas-attack
Yes, 66% is awfully high(, and focusing on attacking military bases would have been suicide, i've also heard about the Hannibal directive, and if i stopped speaking in relative numbers i also know that palestinians were/are clearly at a loss in absolute terms under the law of retaliation), but since that's the threshold given to distinguish between a terrorist and a military operation, then Israel is a terrorist nation by its own standards. Not that anyone cares about giving an official definition to distinguish between a terrorist and a soldier/'resistance fighter'.
Some definitions don't even refer to a ratio civilians//military, and would make Israel #2 behind the US :
See also the U.S. definitions, it's not as if we had many laws against terrorists anyway(, domestic or not, they rarely make a distinction, Palestine Action didn't even hurt anyone).
I've also heard that it's the way that the murders are made, as if money mattered and using tanks&planes was more civilized.
I couldn't find an exhaustive data from Iran or Lebanon, but the majority of the victims were civilians :
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casualties_of_the_Iran%E2%80%93Israel_war
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2024_Israeli_invasion_of_Lebanon
Shameless israeli fuckers, try to justify that they couldn't wait until their target leave the crowd, not that they haven't done worse, they're killing ~100 people every day so it's just one event among others :
https://www.telesurenglish.net/israeli-strike-on-aid-queue-in-deir-al-balah-kills-16-including-10-children
Nothing would surprise me/us anymore, they're not humans :
No. 1/3 killed on that day might have been military but it wasn't the resistance that killed the other 2/3.
There is no evidence that the resistance killed any civilians. Its likely they might have killed some civilians but the did not intentionally kill non-combatants. There are numerous videos and testimony of Resistance fighters being cordial and kind to the captives.
The idf is directly and indirectly responsible for nearly every civilian who was killed. There is testimony from helicopter pilots that they fired on the parking lot of the rave as ravers tried to flee. There is video of israelis firing while calling ravers to come to them in effect using them as human shields. There eye witness testimony of idf firing on homes and vehicles that they knew had civilians inside. In some cases it was actually the perpetrator themself admitting to their crimes. There were over 200 resistance fighters who's bodies were mistaken for civilians because they were burned beyond recognition along side civilians.
I've heard that they killed dozens or even perhaps a hundred at most, but never that they killed nearly everyone of them, unfortunately i guess that there's no way of proving that ?
I don't think that civilians are innocent, i'm from France and already said that during the attacks on France by i.s.i.s. : we're paying for the bombs that are killing their families, and for the salaries of those meddling in their affairs overseas, in order to put in place a regime closer to our interests, instead of choosing to establish a permanent security for everyone, uniting in diversity, etc... Not that civilians constitute a legitimate threat/target to defend against, and even the military personnel should be captured if possible since we should strive to treat others as if 'they were ourselves/'we were one'(, in practice and not only in theory).
Just to say that i've followed a bit of what Max Blumenthal released on this subject but i don't remember him ever going higher than 100 civilians(, no ?), and anyway, compared to the number of civilians that Israel killed prior to the 7th of October it'd be hypocritical on my part to throw an accusation, i just thought that this ratio was somehow linked to the most commonly accepted definition of terrorism, but quickly (re)confirmed that they don't even pretend to give a definition to this term, or when they do it's obviously applicable to ourselves, pfff...
Anyway, i doubt that anyone can prove that assertion, even if you cited much more than one proof of israelis responsible for some of these deaths, but if anyone could i'd be glad to stand corrected.
Yes, that's true, thank you for the reminder ! It's obviously suspicious that out of the 1195 bodies on which Israel has claimed to have conducted DNA tests, they didn't name a single Hamas member, like they're not even trying to hide that they included them, i.d.k., i found that article from 2 months ago so apparently they didn't identify everyone : https://www.theyeshivaworld.com/news/israel-news/2392615/grim-350-bags-of-human-remains-from-october-7-still-await-identification.html
The table that i cited above only counted 732 identified victims out of the 1195, but even if my point was more around searching what qualifies someone as terrorist, and would legitimate such or such actor/action, i thank you for your informations.
There's a bunch of really well researched articles here. these 2 are probably a good place to start.
https://electronicintifada.net/content/released-captive-tells-how-israeli-fire-killed-kibbutz-resident/45121 https://electronicintifada.net/blogs/ali-abunimah/new-evidence-emerges-israel-killing-its-own-civilians
None of the confirmed actions of the Resistance mach up with "frenzy of blood lust" narrative the israelis and western msm spin. Their plan was to break out, kill soldiers, take hostages, trade them for prisoners. Mass murder does nothing to help that plan. They kept their plan secret for years while preparing under the nose of a the most advanced surveillance state in history. The resistance had iron clad discipline.
There is a body of evidence showing that the idf had not just the intention to kill israelis rather than have them taken hostage but that it did so on several occasions and we only found out about the times people survived the idf's attacks.
Everything we have seen since october 7th shows that the idf is psychotic, blood thirsty, and cares nothing for the lives of israelis or Palestinians. Everything we have seen from the resistance shows that they were more than fair to the captives, that they fight in areas without civilians, and that they are careful to not plan suicidal attacks.
We can't know who killed all the civilians because the israelis are holding (and hiding) all the evidence but the physical evidence we do have points only at the idf.