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Immigration officials can't stop people based on race, their spoken language in Los Angeles, judge rules

www.nbcnews.com Immigration officials can't stop people in L.A. based on their race or spoken language, judge rules

The order bars the detention of people unless the officer or agent "has reasonable suspicion" that the person to be stopped is violating U.S. immigration law.

The order bars the detention of people unless the officer or agent "has reasonable suspicion" that the person to be stopped is violating U.S. immigration law.

A federal judge on Friday ruled that immigration officers in Southern California can't rely solely on someone's race or speaking Spanish to stop and detain them.

District Judge Ewusi-Mensah Frimpong issued a temporary restraining order after a lawsuit was filed by three men who were arrested as they waited to be picked up at a Pasadena bus stop for jobs on June 18, and after two others were stopped and questioned despite saying they are U.S. citizens.

Frimpong's order bars the detention of people unless the officer or agent "has reasonable suspicion that the person to be stopped is within the United States in violation of U.S. immigration law."

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To be clear, this was always the law. Also, ACAB.

If they were getting due process this would matter more.
I assume ICE can just start shipping immigrants out of their local areas to other detention facilities and use the LA facility for immigrants not living in that district.

Like this will stop them. It was illegal before they started doing it and before this judges ruling. They will proceed as normal

oh okay, now they won't. a judge said so, you guys.

Random LA judge composed entirely of horseshit, court of public opinion rules.
Hey uh, just asking Mr. LE man, what constitutes 'reasonable suspicion a person is violating immigration law?'
Oh, well, speaking as an enthusiastic Nazi, whenever they have the wrong skin color or talk funny, or have a wierd last name, I just make up some bullshit charge I think they might have done. Then I get the desk jockey dork to write me up a more technical and plausible version of that bullshit for when I have to go talk to you.
... Sounds good to me!
- Reasonable suspicion does have a specific legal definition.
  You are right that it's not a magical shield or protection in the moment. It would matter in court but that would be well after the fact and, as we've all seen, would just give ICE time to play their shell game.
  
  Yeah, they can just do whatever the fuck they want in the mean time, cops rarely ever get stopped by a 'reasonable suspicion' standard, which is much, much, muuuuuuch more lenient than an actual 'probable cause' standard.
  Like here's how reasonable suspicion works:
  We are looking for a brown guy.
  We were near his apartment complex and saw a brown guy roughly matching his description go into an apartment.
  This guy is wanted for... whatever made up bullshit immigration violation... so, we have 'reasonable suspicion' that that was the brown guy we were looking for, going into, i dunno, maybe his neighbor friend's apartment, maybe his, who cares, thus we are justified in breaking down the door.
  And no, no it won't matter in court, its been a year and a half, brown guy died in GITMO or CECOT or Alligator Auschwitz 3 months before this case brought by his remaining US family actually got before and judge, and even if the ICE agents are found guilty, whablamo, Trump pardons them.

There isn't even a war declared, but this seems like it's all about getting a case to the SCOTUS so that this batch can return Korematsu v. United States to its 1944-2017 status as allowing racial profiling.
- "Donald Trump said we're being invaded, who are we to judge?" - six supreme court judges (basically)

Racism is still bad, glad to hear from a judge in these times.

Yeah... we took care of racial profiling a while ago... I guess that's back on the table, sadly

Wink wink...wink is a worthless term like what race is this dog?...shiatsu? Husky? Bulldog? Chihuahua?
In scientific terms all dogs are Canis if they can fuck and make other dog....now replace Canis with human and call that a species within a genus. Realize that the Dutch and the Japanese can have babies if they just fuck for once. Dutch, Japanese, Mexican etc, those are nationalities and are all meaningless scientifically and biologically. "Hispanic" another bullshit term like African American or people of color.
I would prefer to be called by my name, my pronouns or at least "that guy over there". There's a reason I migrated to this country. This country offered "better". So all you gotta do is be honest and open about it...
"Hello Americans, we, the Republican party cheated to gain control of this land. We would like it to be populated only by pasty looking racists. Everyone with melanin should leave now. Not you Mr president, that's Melania, not melanin. Oh that? That's melanoma, trust us you're good. No, no, the melanoma is bad, but you can stay, oh your orangeness."
Like that, nobody would want to visit... Just like now! Good job!
- Dutch, Japanese, Mexican etc, those are nationalities and are all meaningless scientifically and biologically.
  I hear this point raised somewhat frequently, and I understand the sentiment, but it's just incorrect. There are physical and genetic differences between different groups of people from different parts of the world. We are all human and all deserve respect, but I think papering over our differences and declaring we're all the same introduces an unnecessary level of doublethink to the discussion.
  
  At least this AI is correct:
  No, there are no genetic differences that make Japanese people (or Dutch, Mexican, or African people) a different species from one another . Here's why:
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  Humans are genetically similar: The vast majority of human DNA is shared. On average, humans are 99.9% identical at the DNA level. More genetic variation exists within a "racial group" than between different groups. Race has no biological basis: Race is a social construct, not a biological one. Genetic differences do not support the idea of race. Variations between populations, such as skin color or hair texture, are often adaptations to local environments. These variations do not correlate with overall genetic differentiation. Genetic variation is continuous: Human genetic variation is continuous across geographic regions. There are no clear boundaries between groups that would define separate species or subspecies. Ability to interbreed: The key factor in determining a species is the ability to interbreed and produce fertile offspring. All humans can successfully interbreed. This demonstrates that all humans are part of the same species, Homo sapiens.
  So as you can imagine, my kids who are born from a father of one nationality and a mother from another nationality across the globe have no "race" or "ethnicity" both of which are social constructs and are not genetic or scientifically relevant terms... And we're brown. As soon as anyone mentions those terms in a conversation my brain tells me to walk away. When my kids were born, an island nation didn't suddenly pop up mid Atlantic... Or more accurately, a freaking land ring did not appear. They cannot be deported to anything where they came from except for the USA. They don't have specific eye features that tell anyone they come from New York. No Jaw bone spurs that only appear in native SanDiegans (L-O-fucking-L).
  Literally, the city I was born in is twice as old as the US and people from my country funded her country... Only hundreds of years ago. The time between the roman empire and now is not significantly long to create a human sub species. So from a scientific logical person to the rest of y'all, forget these terms and anything else as such. Say "a person born in Arizona was murdered by a gov agency today". That's much more accurate.

The People also rule on this.

Frimpong’s order bars the detention of people unless the officer or agent “has reasonable suspicion that the person to be stopped is within the United States in violation of U.S. immigration law.”
his order does no good since the cop can claim terry stop which gives the officer the ability to make up a reasonable suspicion which includes anything
- In California a Terry stop also requires reasonable articulable suspicion of having committed a crime. That means they can’t conduct a terry stop based on their feefees. They need some sort of evidence, and this judge just ruled that their bigotry, xenophobia, and racism aren’t “reasonable articulable suspicion“.

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