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To be fair, most of the world is unsalvagable at this point.
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I appreciate posts like this. It's nice to see people calling out this shit.
Every time I see so-called "progressives" talking about succeeding from the union or writing off southern states, I feel incredibly terrified and abandoned as a queer person born and raised in Texas.
So... What? I just get to die? I'm just an "unfortunate casualty" Collateral? I get it's tiresome. I get it's scary what's happening. But don't call yourself an ally if you're not willing to fight tooth and nail for us. Cause I guarantee, if states started succeeding, it would be game fuckin', over for a lot of minorities. There would be no way out of the shit holes we're trapped in, and nobody to speak up or fight for us when they start actually shipping us off to "Wellness Farms."
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(Painfully) agree with the first part, second part misses the mark imo. My neighborhood is better because it doesn't have as many racists in it.
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My opinion is that we are all people and the southerners have been steeped in racist and capitalist propaganda for a very long time. Their media environment is turning them racist and afraid to the point where the effort needs to turn them around would be extreme. We don't need to abandon our Southern brothers and sisters, but one we get power we should begin reconstruction reeducation. And just accept that a lot of them are too far gone for saving.
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You aren't sincerely and completely unironically suggesting fucking re-education camps, right?
Right?
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Not camps, but for every news report of Mexican and other people being violent rapists thugs before taking power, we will need the same amount or more news reports on how those people are just like us, not bad, not good, just human.
People who are ideologically racist should have their platforms removed so the only way they can spread their hate is through friends and relatives.
There should propaganda produced that calls racists idiots, low IQ, and whatever else. Just shame them generally.
I don't like the idea of any physical harm coming to them, but they will either grow out of it or live in a country that is antithetical to their ideology.
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They're not unsalvagable, but they won't be the vanguard either. They will come when the tide starts to turn, so efforts need to be put at tide turning. Expect local efforts. Local efforts are critical everywhere.
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People can forget that when it comes to the South, this is a real old front.
We're tired, and all this ride or die republicanism is because we're still here. We need the help
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People who cheer when southern kids die in a natural disaster because it will hurt their parents, who might have voted Trump: why won’t these stupid fucks vote for my team?
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People do that? That is insanely sad and nonempatheic.
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Sadly yes, I kept running into it on Lemmy in the immediate aftermath of the Texas floods. I wish it was hyperbole, but if you look in threads about any natural disaster in southern states before mods do clean up it’s all ‘get what you voted for’, like children and people who voted for what you wanted (or even can’t legally vote!) aren’t also dying.
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No, it's hyperbolic misrepresenting of a generalized statement as being all-encompassing instead of understanding that exceptions to the statement exist.
"You get what you voted for" is obviously directed at those who voted for Trump, not the children or those who voted otherwise.
Unfortunately, people are prone to tie their identity to arbitrary concepts, so when people say things like "People from [Insert State here] get what they voted for", they take offense at having something they identify with be associated with something they don't approve of instead of understanding that they aren't the people being mentioned by the statement.
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Yeah, fuck those guys.
If you’re celebrating mass death you are a problem full stop.
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"They chose this"
Ah yes, the drowned children and the women carrying ectopic embryos and the detainees all down to a man chose this by voting. Sure.
There's an empathy shortage on this planet and its gonna drive us extinct. People on this site delight in the suffering of faceless unknown Americans like my grandparents delighting in Christendom's pillaging of the heathen Middle Eastern countries because "they chose wrong," that choice being non Christian and non-white.
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They vote for Trump to own the libs. Dont make it more complicated than it is.
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Agreed. The generalized FAFO needs to stop. Only 20% of Texans voted for Trump. Natural disasters don’t discriminate.
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Only 20% of Texans voted for Trump.
17.5 million people can potentially vote in Texas.
6.3 million voted Trump.
4.8 million voted against Trump.
Leaving 6.4 million who are fine with Trump.
So, 12.7 out of 17.5 are either supporters or totally OK with it. That's 73% who didn't want to oppose this.
That still doesn't mean the other 1 in 4 deserves this, of course. But the "20%" number is bullshit.
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But isn't it just sweeping the root cause under the rug until the next inevitable disaster? If you don't remind them that it's their doing, they will definitely ignore it and do the same thing again, with the same tragic results. I don't know if reminding helps really, but keeping silence about it definitely doesn't.
When a child hurts itself, you need to establish cause and effect relationship in their head, otherwise they will hurt themselves again
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We got brick oven pizza and craft brews down here too tho
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As someone living in the heart of South Louisiana.
The Southern States are lost and we need to focus on trying to get people out instead of trying to change the minds of a bunch of xenophobic hicks.
I'm 100% for breaking up the union and expelling the Republican states.
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I really hate that the country is so bad I agree with you on this
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I am 100% against giving Republicans political sovereignty and adjacent territory.
We don't need to be changing the minds of xenophobic fucks but we do need to take their political power. Red state governments can and will cause problems for you no matter where you live.
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Those regressive polices many wright off the south for exist in the rest of the country, but in different forms better suited to the context of the area. They come across as particularly brutal and overt to other areas simply because they’re not tailored to be hidden from them.
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Idc I'm not American I just want you guys to collapse so each state is its own country and maybe have a European union style relationship with each other so that y'all stop being so internationally inflammatory. Stg the main reason for considering learning a language other than English is to enter a conversation that defaults to excluding Americans.
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That would just multiply the amount of inflammatory incidents we would start by fifty
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My only problem with the point this image is making, is that it doesn't matter if we are supportive or dismissive.
They're still, as a whole, as a group, going to be terrible people.
Compassion fatigue is a real thing, and while I don't want anything bad to happen to anyone, you can only save somebody from themselves so many times before you realize they're going to do bad things and nothing can stop them.
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Fuck this.
Let's be real bare bones about this.
In Tennessee, 2 million people voted for Trump.
1 million voted for Harris.
The vibe is, "Those 1 million people can't fix their situation so they should be just as fucked as the other 2."
And that's wrong. It's wrong to condemn whole swaths of humanity based on where they live, but even if you're dick enough to say "FAFO" when real humans suffer, you shouldn't be willing to throw your own allies under the bus based on arbitrary lines on the ground.
And I'm a first responder, don't talk to me about compassion fatigue, it's not an excuse not to help someone who needs it.
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Agreed, they are people just like us. They have been turned so racist that they vote against their own interests. It wasn't their choice to be turned racist, but now that they are, there isn't much we can do. You can't use logic move them from a position they didn't use logic to get to.
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The vibe is, "Those 1 million people can't fix their situation so they should be just as fucked as the other 2."
No, the vibe is that the population literally chose to do this to themselves. Which is true. 2 million Trump voters and 1.5 million nonvoters all decided this was something they were cool with. And now it's happening. It sucks for the ~20% who did oppose this, but the overwhelming majority literally were fine with this.
it's not an excuse not to help someone who needs it.
And how should you be helped? Because you literally can only help yourselves.
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I don’t think we’re responsible for anywhere near enough compassion to be fatigued by it
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I want to add that these people usually vote R because they're told it's the right thing to do, not because they actually understand what they're voting for or against. When asked about policy, they generally agree with leftist policies. If we get the chance to show them that leftist policies actually work and what they are, we may stand a chance to change their minds.
That's why I think the NYC mayoral election is pretty important. If he's elected he can actually do good things that Democrats and Republicans have told people to be scared of. He can show that people have been lied to and it's actually good. The problem will be getting this information to the uninformed voters. They'll hear about it, but it'll mostly only be that it's bad, actually, and they won't hear about the victories.
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TIL about compassion fatigue.
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Here's an idea: focus your attention on your community. Join an organization and build coalitions locally. Do the work to improve the material conditions of those around you, acting in good faith with solidarity toward your neighbors.
Then, when you've realized how inane and pointless it is to generalize about populations numbering into the millions, mind your own fucking business and quit wishing ill on people you will never meet. Compassion fatigue is your problem, and calling the population of an entire state terrible is just bullshit no matter which way you cut it.
We don't need your kindness, we don't need saving, we need cooperation and community. If that's not in your wheelhouse, then keep to yourself.
Signed, a "terrible" floridian who's fed up with dipshit northerners telling me that I deserve to die in a hurricane because my governor sucks.
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Here's a compromise:
Ill agree we should cheer the deaths of all straight cis white southerners, the descemdants of confederates who evaded justice. Unless they're active/retired resistors.
But the rest have to suck on their own merits for us to applaud their misfortune.
Deal?
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At this point I'm just hoping for reduced federal influence over blue states and measures to help out refugees from the places whose own state governments are working against them.
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I've written off the entire states as unsalvageable (unless broken up) as someone from the northern Provinces
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My neighborhood is better because of street tacos and public transit and little/no pedophilia.
Craft breweries and brick oven pizzas have nothing to do with it.
Your bbq is lovely, but street tacos are better.
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I will stuff my face with pizza and wash these tears down with a cold one
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