German police raid homes of 17 people accused of posting antisemitic hate speech on social media
German police raid homes of 17 people accused of posting antisemitic hate speech on social media
German authorities have raided the homes of 17 people in the state of Bavaria accused of spreading antisemitic hate speech and threats targeting Jews online.
Good, arrest them all. It’s absolutely horrendous that people use the tragedy of the Palestinian people to be antisemitic.
41You'll be arrested next, when it turns out the people arrested were jewish so your comment counts as anti-semitism.
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This made me think because raiding peoples homes doesn't seem right, but saying things like this definitely isn't right.
In the end I think a inclusive society should exclude it's exclusive elements.
22I feel we just can't agree on this argument online, and it's likely because the line for tolerance differs on so many factors, history being a huge one.
I'm aware German laws exist to ban fascist symbols, likely as an ounce of prevention along the lines, "we won't repeat another Hitler".
It might take the US falling into a fascist state and being liberated to make us adopt such "drastic" measures as raids. Until then 1A has been routinely held up to protect hate speech so for now it's up to us as a society to make a conscious decision what we'll tolerate. We just have to be as vocal about it as the racists/fascists.
4The raids were probably because of the threats and not because of antisemitic remarks. The first might get you arrested if you scream it in the streets, but threatening people should get you raided imho
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Imagine your dumb fuck of a child sending antisemitic hate shit through his phone and a few days later the police raids your home and takes all your devices. Absolute nightmare.
11For too long, we have allowed a ntisemitism to penetrate into the heart of our society via extreme right-wing circles, radical left-wing demonization of Israel or Islamist fanatics.”
Ah yes leftist criticism of state based crimes against humanity/genocide is antisemitism. Totally comparable to literal neo-Nazis wanting to commit genocide.
Get fucked Germany.
11One suspect allegedly sent a sticker in a WhatsApp school class chat with the words “Gas the Jews.” Another person, a German-Turkish dual citizen, allegedly posted on his account that “the Jewish sons” deserved nothing more than to be “exterminated,” dpa reported.
Uh... What are you defending here? This sounds like literal neo-Nazis wanting to commit genocide.
17You know and they what they’re defending. Your complaint falls on deaf ears here.
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There is a line between criticising the Israeli government and real Antisemitism. While the Israeli Government has gone to lengths to muddle the waters here to make any critical word to be considered "Antisemitism", real, Antisemitism still exists.
5You are literally being one of the morons muddying the water by defending actual antisemitism right now.
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There's some pretty questionable comment removals here. What exactly triggered Rule 4 in that comment by /u/Marsupial@quokk.au, anonymous mod?
9Whata been getting removed?
0I don't know how to link a specific item in the modlog, and I assume reposting removed content is inherently rulebreaking. Someone was objecting to the quote lumping in leftists criticizing Israel with far right antisemites and Islamist fanatics. The only remotely, squint really hard, maybe it could be construed as in the vaguest vicinity of Rule 4 was saying "fuck Germany" in response, which just isn't racism or prejudice. So other than that, it sure appears to be a mod removing a post because they don't like the argument being made.
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This is the best summary I could come up with:
BERLIN (AP) — German authorities on Tuesday raided the homes of 17 people in the state of Bavaria accused of spreading antisemitic hate speech and threats targeting Jews online.
According to the Bavarian criminal police, the suspects were 15 men and two women aged between 18 and 62, German news agency dpa reported.
The suspects were said to have celebrated the attacks by Palestinian militant group Hamas on Israel on Oct. 7, and were accused of spreading hate speech against Jewish people on social media, using symbols of banned terrorist organizations, dpa reported.
Further searches were carried out in the Bavarian towns of Fuessen and Kaufbeuren as well as in the counties of Passau, Fuerstenfeldbruck, Berchtesgadener Land, Coburg, Aschaffenburg and Hassberge.
“Unfortunately, antisemitism has an impact on the daily life of many Jews in Germany,” Michael Weinzierl, the Bavarian police commissioner against hate crime, told dpa.
For too long, we have allowed a ntisemitism to penetrate into the heart of our society via extreme right-wing circles, radical left-wing demonization of Israel or Islamist fanatics.”
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9jawoll!
2Someone should remind the German police that if they're busting on antisemitic hate speech online, they've got a great big backlog of people posting that stuff on Xitter and there's that one billionaire that bought it recently that's a prominent participant in that stuff
0Nice
0Were those "free palestine" arrests or legit antisemitism?
-1You decide:
One suspect allegedly sent a sticker in a WhatsApp school class chat with the words “Gas the Jews.” Another person, a German-Turkish dual citizen, allegedly posted on his account that “the Jewish sons” deserved nothing more than to be “exterminated,” dpa reported.
and from a German source:
A German-Turkish defendant is said to have posted on his account that "the Jewish sons" deserved nothing more than to be slaughtered "and exterminated".
and
According to the LKA, a Turkish citizen posted a picture of Hitler shortly after October 7, adding: "I could kill all the Jews, but I left some alive to show you why I killed them." Next to it, he posted a Palestinian flag, the caption "Free Palestine" and an emoji with a victory sign.
9well yeah thats pretty antisemitic
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And this is an example of why speech should not be criminalized, even hate speech, unfortunately. Perceptions of what counts as hate speech are subject to change with geopolitical issues that may or may not actually make said speech "hate speech." Today the nazis are antisemites, tomorrow any critic of Isreal's reaction to Hamas' terrorism in Oct is too. You don't have to like what they (hypothetical people) say but freedom of speech is important, short of actual calls to (violent) action themselves words should not be punishable by legal action. Fight them with your words, show others your way is better, but remember what you do to others can easily be turned back on you in short order.
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Being against antisemitism laws
Nazis 🤝 Palestine supporters
-4Well what is considered antisemitism under the law? Is saying death to Jews or is it questioning the murder of civilians and bombing of refugee camps?
3I think it's this
Volksverhetzung, in English "incitement to hatred" (used also in the official English translation of the German Criminal Code),[1][2] "incitement of popular hatred", "incitement of the masses", or "instigation of the people", is a concept in German criminal law that refers to incitement to hatred against segments of the population and refers to calls for violent or arbitrary measures against them, including assaults against the human dignity of others by insulting, maliciously maligning, or defaming segments of the population.
I think being anti-Israeli actions is enough but being anti-Jewish would be. And "death to Jews" definitely counts
During an April 2023 pro-Palestine protest, observers recorded numerous antisemitic chants, including "Death to the Jews".[25][26] The Berlin Police have confirmed they are investigating charges of Volksverhetzung;[25] two pro-Palestine demonstrations planned for the following weekend were cancelled
4From the article you're commenting on:
The suspects were said to have celebrated the attacks by Palestinian militant group Hamas on Israel on Oct. 7, and were accused of spreading hate speech against Jewish people on social media, using symbols of banned terrorist organizations, dpa reported.
and
One suspect allegedly sent a sticker in a WhatsApp school class chat with the words “Gas the Jews.” Another person, a German-Turkish dual citizen, allegedly posted on his account that “the Jewish sons” deserved nothing more than to be “exterminated,” dpa reported.
So probably more the category "celebrating antisemitic terrorism" and "calling for the extermination of all Jews."
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Good. Get them all. Damn fascists. They act now as if they support palestine but beware if anyone of them comes near them, then they are "knife wielding Madman".....
-6"Accused" So they had no idea whether or not these people posted such shit. Nice. So if you're in germany and you know the address of someone you dont like, just accuse them of hate speech and they will have their door kicked down. Nice job germany.
-17I dont think anyone shpuld be arrested for speach. But i can understand germanys reasons to do such things
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