Christian (Apollo Dev) on contributing to Voyager
Christian (Apollo Dev) on contributing to Voyager
by the screenshots it looks like I've done plenty
Voyager is a copy of the Apollo UI. He's entirely right when he says he's already contributed significantly.
I don't blame him for being grumpy, but I also think it's legit to clone a decent UI. As Voyager matures the UIs will diverge.
168Ya like I empathize with him but I know if I refuse to allow peopleto continue using somethingthry love, they find a way around it. That is the techie ethos, at least it is to me. Seize the means of production hehe
42He is becoming a bit stuck on the whole Reddit situation. He keeps sharing nostalgic posts about Apollo. It sucks what happened, but it’s time for him to find a new gig… I know he likes pixel pals, but that isn’t for me. I did pay for his mobile html inspector, but it’s buggy and not well supported.
2
On the one hand, nice jab. Unfair since he wasn’t interested, but get his jollies where he can, I guess.
On the other, he knew longer than most that Reddit was done. He can pivot to Lemmy at any time.
64Based on this https://reddthat.com/post/8711097 I don’t think he has any interest in Lemmy
27
Honestly does response really mean he’s mad or anything about it? Voyager is obviously inspired by Apollo, but any developer who does UX on iOS should inspired by good iOS UX. I think people may be reading into it to much. He already indicated that he was not going to port Apollo. If anything I’d be irritated that people keep asking him more than anything.
58Also this comment.
8
lol
52What a little...[happy place, happy place 🏝️
-1
Wow, pretty clear how he feels about it. But also he made plenty of money of Apollo and then just shut it down and refused to open source it. So I don’t feel particularly inclined to change my behavior here.
Edit: All these people white knighting a dev that made millions off his app.
35Why would he have any obligation to open source a project he was shutting down? If he made the code open, that would be a kind and generous gesture. Not an expected and assumed action.
46and then just shut it down
He "shut it down" because Reddit intentionally made it impossible to continue. He had no control over that.
refused to open source it.
Why is he obligated to open source it?
37I didn’t say he was obligated to open source it. He gains nothing by keeping it closed. If he had open sourced it I could still use it because I have a Reddit API key. If he open sourced it, it could be converted to work with Lemmy. But he effectively burned it down.
He doesn’t owe it to me to open source it but I can still think it was a shitty selfish decision.
13He is not obligated in anything but it shouldn't suprise him or be sour about other devs stepping in to do what he doesn't want to do. It doesn't help that he acts like this is done out of malice even though it's not.
2Narwhal found a way, gonna need some 'splainin' as to how he was singled out
-3
I mean, he provided a great app for free for years. Why should he open source it, just because he also earned cash with it? As far as I know he was also in talks with premium members so that they could get their money back but I’m not updated on that. And of course he shut it down, the app essentially became useless.
29I never received it. Gonna call Apple soon. Damn shame for all involved :(
1
He made millions off the app? Okay, so? Reddit makes more off of user data they don't even make, then gets mad when people make a better app than them or another large company decides to scrape the data that isn't even their's. If he made millions as you claim in your complaint about white knighters, he probably made millions because people really liked his app.
Also, no-one is obligated to open-source their code. It's their choice if they wish to or not. Yeah, it might suck, but it's not the end of the world, and that sort of entitled behaviour only pushes away the people who could potentially open-source their code. I've fell into that trap too.
1He was a bit of a tit. Started introducing ads and nags, after people paid lifetime .
He came with the ‘I’m just a solo dev …”. Schtick ….
But turned out to be money grabbing dick. Apps for lemmy popped up virtually overnight, which suggest it’s not hard.
-16This is the most presumptuous comment I've ever read regarding any kind of development. Wow.
20Well now we have multiple great FOSS options instead of one or two dominant paid apps. I was a happy Apollo user, but the current state of things feels more in line with the ideals behind Lemmy. So maybe his actions led to a more positive outcome than if he had kept on going like people wanted.
2You’re entirely wrong, but you do you.
2Dude what the hell? Just... wtf
1
Here are my takeaway. Christian does sound slightly miffed at the fact that Voyager has copied much of the look and feel of Apollo. Even though he has not contributed any code directly to the Voyager app, he has indeed "contributed" to it indirectly. I highly doubt Christian will go after Voyager app in a legal manner. He definitely would have a legal standing to do so but that would alienate his support from the past Apollo community that has moved onto Voyager. There is just no reason for him to do so. I suppose I can imagine a crazy scenario where Apollo IP switches hands to another company and that company decides to take legal action against Voyager but that seems highly unlikely. In retrospect it would have been nice if developer of Voyager basically got permission or just simply asked Christian if it's okay to use the look and feel of Apollo in writing. That would have avoided any awkwardness or ambiguity.
10Copyright has not been violated, and so he has no standing for legal action.
35There's approximately 0% chance of that happening. Christian made up his mind, he's free to do whatever he wants. And we're free to do whatever we want short of actionable real lawsuits. Time will tell but the genie's outtathe bottle.
13
@christianselig@mastodon.social Can you share some clarification on your thoughts on the Voyager app?
8@ChristianSelig Sorry, not sure if the original mention went through on Lemmy or not
8
Hm, does Voyager have his blessing for being so similar to Apollo I wonder?
8Seems like it does not, but it also seems like Christian isn't really taking action against it.
2He's a smart guy and he wants to move on. He should do that and people should leave him alone but when he puts himself on the record, its fair game.
6
Mods removing a lot of comments. No reason given.
6Interestingly I can see them all on my instance with Voyager. Is this a new feature? They show as removed in red but still visible.
1
@christianselig@mastodon.social Can you share some clarification on your thoughts on the Voyager app?
1Its annoying he gets this flair when hes NOT developing for Apollo and put a pin it it. Kinda the opposite at this point despite his historical bona fides
-2Narwhal
-4