Remember ChInA EvIL
Remember ChInA EvIL
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Chinese citizens both think democracy is important at higher rates than the west, and believes their country to be democratic and represent their interests fairly at much higher rates than the west:
Taiwan isn't a threat to the PRC, and neither is Xinjiang nor the Uyghurs living there and elsewhere.
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I'mma be honest, if I was living in a country where it was common knowledge that slandering the government in anyway got you disappeared, I'd rate them highly on any study put in front of me :/
I know I'm going to have comments telling me I don't know what I'm talking about, and that's ok. I've enough friends in China, and from China, who have talked about this kind of thing to understand that this graph could represent the feelings of the people, but likely doesn't.
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I still don't like the social credit thing, but I at the same time I wouldnt mind moving to Sweden from the US if I had the chance
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And in this one by the European union they rank themselves lower or equal to western countries. As well as ranking low on things like freedom of speech and separation of power.
Perceived democracy survey by the EU 2025
One survey, be it from the EU or Harvard doesn't really prove anything. If you want to convince people then you should find a meta analysis.
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Democracy: China is constantly evolving it's democratic mechanisms, currently referred to as whole process democracy. In the West you can change the party but not the policies. In China you can change the policies but not the party.
Incorrect Thought: yes defending the KKK with arguments for free speech is not the high minded position you think it is. Incorrect Thought includes fascism, cultism, chauvinism, and neoliberalism. Working against those things is a perennial obligation of any liberatory movement.
Taiwan: China does not see Taiwan as a threat at all. They see the US and UK as a threat and they see Taiwan as a vulnerability. Not the least of which because the US has openly published strategy documents detailing the Pacific Kill Chain which projects lethal nuclear force at China and it uses Taiwan as the key component of that kill chain.
Uyghurs: Uyghurs aren't a threat, Uyghur terrorists trained by the US as part of their never ending program of training terrorists and radicalizing people - that's the threat. Uyghurs in China who are not connected to the terrorist trainings are for the most part completely unaffected by China's de-escalation program. And China's de-escalation program has worked incredibly well when you look at the raw numbers of terrorist attacks Xinjiang over the last decade.
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The World: the people in power are our biggest threat
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Depends on where you are, some governments are better than others, and the people are in power.
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China: political dissidents are our biggest threat
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China doesn't spend that much time on political dissidents in comparison to the US. The US has been chasing Assange and Snowden for decades now, they have Manning in prison probably for life, they had Peltier in prison until he was basically at deaths door. And they constantly renew and redouble their efforts to attack these dissidents. Meanwhile in China they spend way more effort on reducing the number of billionaires than they do reducing the number of political dissidents.
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Not really, billionaires are kept in check. Corruption was a big issue in the 2000s, but the majority of the opportunists were already purged. At the same time, the PRC has dedicated a huge portion of its economy to electrification and green energy, as well as combatting desertification.
China is also quite democratic, which is why it takes climate change seriously:
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Do people in China really think this?
Turn on Fox News, or Left comedy shows. Or major influencers.
The Americans biggest threat is… Americans. Specifically the other side. I haven’t heard mega conservative or mega liberal family, or anyone, even utter the word “China” in a while. Honestly the only place I see it now is finance news, and they are just jawboning to move stocks anyway.
Trump and senators do say it sometimes I guess, but TBH it’s mostly on deaf or bored ears.
Can’t speak for the UK, but I imagine they are starting to look across the pond with worry.
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China is building the worlds largest dam that is going to cut off a huge amount of water to India.
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The US has done this pretty deliberately as part of their genocide of the indigenous peoples. China and India are in peer conversations as sovereigns and negotiating their differences as equals.
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If China is so great, why the constant need for propaganda?
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If China is so bad, why the constant need for propaganda?
Ultimately, all media pushing a narrative is propaganda. Propaganda isn't bad in and of itself, it can be used to push good messaging and good information. The reason why there's strong pushes for pro-China sentiment from the left is because right now, in the west, the majority sentiment is anti-PRC based on US State Department narratives.
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Democracy: China is constantly evolving it's democratic mechanisms, currently referred to as whole process democracy. In the West you can change the party but not the policies. In China you can change the policies but not the party.
Free Speech: defending the KKK with arguments for free speech is not the high minded position you think it is. Free speech includes fascism, cultism, chauvinism, and neoliberalism. Working against those things is a perennial obligation of any liberatory movement.
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I'll repost my response, then:
The opposite is true, actually.
According to the most recent report (2024), people in China have overwhelmingly positive views of their political system. 92% of people say that democracy is important to them, 79% say that their country is democratic, 91% say that the government serves the interests of most people (rather than a small group), and 85% say all people have equal rights before the law. Furthermore, China outperforms the US and most European countries on these indicators – in fact, it has some of the strongest results in the world. The figure below compares China’s results to those from the US, France and Britain. These results may help explain the high levels of satisfaction with government reported by the Ash Center.
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Been a while since I heard anyone call China "
ourthe biggest threat". Come to think of it, I don't remember ever hearing that.Edit: the, not our. Makes no ultimate difference.
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I hear it all the time from the US gov and from liberals.
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China: These islands belonging to our peaceful small neighbors are our biggest threat.