"After Trump, our turn!"

Most rational accelerationist

God bless single issue voters.

Stepping back to an objective human suffering standpoint, the Trump admin is dismantling environmental protections that would soften the coming climate-collapse holocaust. We've whiplashed back 80+ years and lost decades of institutional knowledge; even physical infrastructure in NASA's case.

This is an issue that objectively has only progressed through D efforts and been defended even through R administrations. Millions of people will needlessly die, particularly those oppressed in the global south, from the actions of this admin. But Genocide Joe was an unpalatable humanitarian choice?

There's no rationality to their stance, they just base their politics on visceral emotional reactions. It's the exact same blind moral purity as pro-birthers and they deserve the same derision.

- "Neither was good, so I refuse to participate and willfully allow the worst to happen. Now I get to feel morally superior to those who took action against the worst because the alternative was flawed." Fuck all the way off you absolute asshat. What was and is happening in Gaza is a fucking atrocity. And your lack of vote not only didn't fix a goddamned thing, if anything, it only made it worse and also allowed a myriad of other atrocities happening now and more soon to come. You are a joke and a moron.
- Right on cue. And yes it's a political issue, it pretty snugly fits the common definition.
  Political issues refer to matters that are of public concern and involve conflicting viewpoints within a society, often requiring governmental action or public policy to address them
  Trying to pretend it's something sacrosanct and beyond politics is what makes a single issue voter.
  Ah yes the ~~genocide in gaza~~ legal murder of babies is an "issue". A slight inconvenience really
  That's you.
  If you actually cared about the lives of people in the middle east you should be just as outraged over Trump unilaterally bombing a sovereign state, direct military action that wouldn't have happened with the Democratic candidates.
  Or, as I pointed out, the deliberate climate destruction that will literally boil more people alive with wet bulb events.
- You can't be a pedant and also be bad at it. You just sound like an idiot.
  Oh wait, you think somehow that allowing the Trump regime to take power was the optimal play. Let me correct myself. You are an idiot.

You shouldn't have to vote for evil just because the other side is more evil. Dont get me wrong... I did and will again but I shouldn't have to and I wont fault anyone for not. I have enough people to hate already.

"Shouldn't have to" in a just world, but we don't live in a just world. Imagine advocating, for example, for the USSR to be abandoned to the Nazis, because the USSR was also a bunch of genocidal imperialist scumbags.
Choosing the lesser evil is not morally optional if your choices are reduced to only evils.
I don't have the 'luxury' of feeling neutrally about people who've very quite possibly fucking killed me in the next few years.
Grow up. It sucks to jave to choose the lessetlr evil but it is by definition better than the greater evil, and these people yoi don't fault were6directly responsible for causing gje greater evil when they refused to make that choice. They have blood on their hands, and a lot of it.

I love that my existence has to be 'earned' according to these people. If Blue Circus isn't entertaining enough to 'earn' their vote, me and everyone else endangered by a fascist administration can go fuck ourselves.

Some of us may die, but that's a sacrifice the Purity Brigade is willing to make.

And what happens when team blue decides your minority group is an acceptable sacrifice, as they're currently doing for trans people? They already threw the Palestinian Americans on the pyre, and they're going for trans folks next.
The problem with looking the other way when some other group is thrown under the bus is that inevitably your ticket will be called. In 2028, it's going to be trans folks and their allies that are being bullied into supporting a conservative democrat like Newsom, even though he would take the Democrats the same direction as British Labor.
I just can't understand this hubris and arrogance. You actually expect people to vote for their own annihilation.
- And what happens when team blue decides your minority group is an acceptable sacrifice, as they’re currently doing for trans people?
  The vast majority of Dem politicians remain in support of trans issues.
  They already threw the Palestinian Americans on the pyre, and they’re going for trans folks next.
  The Dems have supported Palestinian genocide for at least the past forty fucking years. In that time, Dems have improved markedly on trans issues.
  It's not as simple as you want it to be, but since simplicity would absolve you of your actual, real complicity in both the genocide of Palestinians and the additional crimes and genocides of the Trump administration, you crave simplicity.
  The problem with looking the other way when some other group is thrown under the bus is that inevitably your ticket will be called.
  You're absolutely right, this is why the civil rights movement should have refused all participation in American politics until LGBT rights were established as well.
  By your logic, the Dems should have been throwing an ever-greater number of minorities under the bus since... what, the entire 20th century? Yet demonstrably, they have become more minority-positive, not less. I guess facts don't matter when you have fascists to carry water for, though, huh?
  I just can’t understand this hubris and arrogance. You actually expect people to vote for their own annihilation.
  "Please vote for less annihilation."
  "Actually, I'd prefer more."
  Sorry for finding self-destructive behavior that damages others as well both repugnant and strategically idiotic?
  But sure, tell me how the Harris admin would have been more-destructive or even simply as-destructive towards Arab and Muslim-American communities than the fucking Trump admin, I'm dying to hear about how opting for the fascist was the real act of self-preservation.
Good ol’ accelerationism.
It's not my vote they have to earn, it's the millions of people who are suffering under the current economic conditions. Telling them the maeket is better than ever while they can't make ends meet isn't going to swing any voters. Democrats need to either literally militarize against Trump or start offering tangible things to people that will help them. People know that Trump is bad, they just hope that he manages to change their situation somehow. But the Democrats dont care about working people (neither do the Republicans) and only want to help their boss/landlord.
- That's a question of strategy, and I agree entirely. Dems are not offering what they need to be offering.
  My point is that "Dems need to EARN my vote" is not a morally acceptable position for any individual to take, and should not be accepted as such - it's no different than saying "Marginalized demographics need to EARN the right to survive" - with the added humiliation and helplessness of being dependent on someone else's 'performance' to earn our lives.
  People know that Trump is bad,
  I think you overestimate the electorate. Most Americans are not 'tuned-in' to politics.

We shouldn't enable fascism by any means, especially in the information era. But, if fascism is already there, we should organize resistance and defend the people that suffer from it, by that building trust that builds our political capital, so to speak. But not enable it, as it fights more against us than against capitalism.

Godspeed. At this point, I'm trying to maintain my current routine of political activity so as to not to collapse into total despair and passivity. That path leads to death.

Disgusting. They sacrifice innocents and not for a sure thing either.

Not even for a serious chance, which they would know if they paid attention to any of the history they claim to be inspired by. Revolutions do not spring out of discontent; discontent is widespread in numerous non-revolting societies. Revolutions spring out of groundwork, the long, boring, tedious task of organizing, educating, and raising class consciousness. The thing these people are so goddamn sure will spontaneously arise once the state gets totalitarian enough, like North Korea.

Harris lost, and you still can't realize that your stance caused it. Better to blame the leftists for ... checks notes ... having values that she lacked.

For example, what if she had been anti genocide? That would have been a sight to see.

Harris lost, and you still can’t realize that your stance caused it.
Yes, my stance that the lesser of two evils is lesser than the greater evil is what caused Harris's loss.
Better to blame the leftists for … checks notes … having values that she lacked.
'Leftists' whose 'value' was that Palestinian genocide should receive full support, so they can continue playing campist games over the bodies of as many dead Palestinians as possible?

'Liberals always choose fascism!'

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The 3.5% of people bro, the Epstein files bro, the lawsuits bro trust me, home more lawsuit and we defeat facism..

i'm sure the next old ghoul with a blue D on his shirt will save you from fascism.

also conflating socdems and libs with communists lol.

i’m sure the next old ghoul with a blue D on his shirt will save you from fascism.
Don't worry, I'm sure you'll still be advocating for the fascist then.
also conflating socdems and libs with communists lol.
... do you not know who Thalmann is.
Or do you not understand the quoted section is about his opposition to 'socdems and libs' in favor of cheerleading for fascists, just like you?
- i like how you will not let go of the strawman that we are somehow campaigning for trump.
  you should actually talk to leftists in good faith instead of this bullshit.
They'll never save me from fascism because I'll never vote for anyone with a D by their name!

the number of 3rd party voters would not have affected the outcome if they all voted for harris and her support of genocide.

https://www.reuters.com/graphics/USA-ELECTION/RESULTS/zjpqnemxwvx/

want to win against nazis? stop putting nazis up in your own “progressive” party. (for those who don’t get it: harris is a nazi)

the number of 3rd party voters would not have affected the outcome if they all voted for harris and her support of genocide.
The number of protest abstainers was literal millions of voters, including almost 10 million 2020 Biden voters.
want to win against nazis? stop putting nazis up in your own “progressive” party. (for those who don’t get it: harris is a nazi)
Lord.
- i mentioned only 3rd party voters maybe i misunderstood the op. my bad.
  but yes. harris had a year to push against the genocide she supported. this makes her involved in crimes against humanity an not worth running. next dem primary, if the rug is not pulled from us AGAIN, I’ll again vote for the person not ok with genocide.
- So who do you think the 10 million people are that voted for Biden in 2020 but not Harris are?
  Do you think that they are leftists who refused to vote? Because if that is true, then the Democrats ABSOLUTELY needed their support and should have done everything they could to court that group instead of the couple dozen old Bush supporters that don't like Trump, such as the Cheneys.
  Do you think that they are just normal, politically illiterate people who saw their quality of life plummet the past 4 years? Why didn't the Dems do more to help them and get them to take time off from their second job to fo vote? Why was the Democrats message fail to resonate with them?
  Do you think that they were put off by Kamala's race/gender? So then why did the Democrats force her as the candidate instead of holding an actual primary? Was she just a glass cliff candidate so that they could run the same terrible campaign and just blame the voters instead?
  Whatever way you want to slice it, the Democrats lost in 2024 because they have zero idea what their voters want/need. They only care about their corporate donors. The Democrats keep loosing elections and you keep blaming voters instead of the party that keeps loosing.