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The eastern bloc was mostly dismantled by peaceful protests. So you don't really seem to know that much about peaceful protests, it can be very effective. Of applied correctly and consistently and not only once in a blue moon. Here are some things for reading for you

Are you saying the Eastern Bloc was more democratic and responsive to public pressure than the liberal democracies of the West?
- You can interpret it how you want, that wasn't your statement I refuted. Matter of fact remains, that those were peaceful protests and they reached their goal.
- In the sense that they gave up and became liberal democracies, yes.

Read about Serbia. There are very effective peaceful protest going on for months.

Edit: Vučić‘s men are trying to use violence against the protesters, but the mostly just disperse immediately and meet up somewhere else to do more protesting. Protest have to be disruptive, but not violent.

Tell me when anything actually changes in Serbia
At which point the state will make them violent.
And whst is really the point of not being violent when things are this fucked? Like, how are you refucing toral violence? Like wearing a baseball cap in a monsoon.
I'm not going to bother looking it up, so I'll ask you instead since you seem to care about it. What have they accomplished through those months of protesting?

Funny how Luigi and Crooks are the only ones who actually attempted meaningful change and both are conservative.

Nice

Also in this image: Russian propagandists trying to get us to kick off a civil war

Yep you got it, everyone who can see reality is a Russian now. You got us skippy.
Exactly. Everyone also forgets what a civil war looks like these days. It wouldn't be North vs South, it would be in every direction, everywhere. Nobody wants this.
For comparison, here's Myanmar. This started back in 2021: https://myanmar.iiss.org/introduction

We've been making meaningful changes this way for centuries. Everyone in that timeframe who tried violence ended up in an authoritarian hellscape.

gestures broadly to America today
And this was the fault of the black panthers, I’m assuming?
- I haven't seen anything good come from the Black Panthers aside from Gun Regulation. The civil rights movement was filled with peaceful protestors like King and gained bipartisan support.
yes, meaningful changes towards fascism...
Progressive change has always had to face violent reactions. From abolition to the 40-hour workday, to child labour, to civil rights, to LGBT rights
- I'm real glad we got those 40-hour workdays, 8 hours just wasn't enough! 😄
- Abolition actually started with legislation which caused a violent uprising from the fucking Confederacy. Thats who you align yourself with?
idk why you come here when you're obviously a lib and leftist content makes you uncomfortable.
- Trump's salivating at an excuse to sic the national guard on radicals with no public support. It's probably the only thing that gets him hard.
  Don't pretend to be left when you support a return to the old ways.
American revolutionists would like to have a word... And even though after the French revolution times were bad you can ask yourself whether they would have been any better off if the revolution hadn't occurred. Even if the French themselves weren't better off, fear of revolution triggered other authoritarian monarchs, like the Dutch king to agree to massive reforms. It's not always a simple A-leads-to-B connection.
- That's fair.
idk, seems more like you can end up in an authoritarian hellscape either way, because efforts to establish it have to be defeated constantly. as soon as ppl stop paying attention, authoritarianism creeps in the back door. so i think it's a different issue that just seems related, because after (violent) protests they will use those as an excuse for their coup, but they would just find something else otherwise, like crime rates or illegal immigrants or so.
- Then we should fight it forever, the responsible way with minimal bloodshed. When our enemies are promoting bloody revolution you know it's not in our favor.