Don't worry, it's definitely not genocide, China is just being a little 'authoritarian' towards the Uyghurs
Don't worry, it's definitely not genocide, China is just being a little 'authoritarian' towards the Uyghurs
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It's only genocide if its from the Völkermord region in Germany. Otherwise it's just sparkling mass murder.
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The sheer volume of actual Germans on Lemmy that believe this statement and will argue about it is shocking.
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Some weird guilt complex that still lingers on even though that generation will soon wither and die.
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A year or so ago, the new UK government sent a delegation to China to improve relations and shore up trade and investment deals, ignoring criticism from the left about Uyghur genocide
This is what the Tankies get fundamentally wrong about the modern world - the idea that anything anti-China is a smear to further Western Imperialism is a throwback to the cold war dichotomy of The West vs Communism.
In reality now, it's all about investment and global trade, neoliberal wealth generation over human rights. Of course propaganda is real and everywhere, but the framing of it all as West vs East is just incredibly outdated and oversimplified.
Downplaying or waving away mistreatment of the Uyghurs puts you on the same side as Western Governments, so dismissing the issue as Western Propaganda is fundamentally flawed
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Fucking thank you. I see people railing against imperialism by describing the world through an entirely imperialistic mindset. They are so lost in the sauce they can't see straight.
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Stop being racist against the Chinese you AmeriKKKan fascistic nazi! Go and read theory! /s
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Pretty sure if I criticized the CCP, the wumaos will call me a "汉奸" ("han traitor") despite me not having PRC Citizenship anymore (and I didn't even renounce it, they were the ones that revoked it 🤷♂️)
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It's not true, you're CIA, and even if it was true it would be a good thing.
You're CIA.
(/s obviously)
(You're CIA)
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He's CIA, I backtracked his IP address.
Consequences will never be the same
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Well, I got the reference at least...
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The meme checks out: https://www.ceicdata.com/en/china/population-birth-rate-by-region/cn-population-birth-rate-xinjiang . Birth rate was 1.588 in 2017 and at a similar level in the years before that, 1.069 in 2018, 0.814 in 2019 and so on.
Extra surveillance and repression reportedly started in 2014, mass incarceration in 2017.
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If you browse other regions of China there, in some (mainly the ones whose names I didn't recognize which I expect are the most provincial hence why I've never heard of them), you will find a fall in birth-rates from aproximatelly the same values to the same values (i.e. around 1.4 to around 0.6, for example https://www.ceicdata.com/en/china/population-birth-rate-by-region/cn-population-birth-rate-jiangxi and https://www.ceicdata.com/en/china/population-birth-rate-by-region/cn-population-birth-rate-shaanxi) but none but Xinjiang have that steep drop in 2017.
Something happenned in Xinjiang at around 2017 and for at least a couple of years that did not happen in the other regions of China.
We can't really deduce anything about what's still happenning there, either way, from that graphic.
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There was also per county data available, showing a correlation between the size of the decline and the ethnic makeup of the county: "The largest declines have been in counties where Uyghurs and other indigenous communities are concentrated. Across counties that are majority-indigenous the birth-rate fell, on average, by 43.7 percent in a single year between 2017 and 2018. The birth-rate in counties with a 90 percent or greater indigenous population declined by 56.5 percent, on average, in that same year." https://www.aspi.org.au/report/family-deplanning-birthrates-xinjiang/
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This is a country that had a one child policy for the ethnic in group. But to do this in secret betrays intention.
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I would love to see the Chinese version of The Simpson’s (dubbed in English)
Their attempt at The Colbert Report was… special. ❤️
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Didn’t they invite the UN or so?
Yup, got an article:
https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/china-un-xinjiang-human-rights-1.5968002
"You can come visit while we watch, but no investigation allowed"
Wow, definitely not simping for genocide by trying to portray that as a refutation. Did you even read your own article?
And the main folk accusing of geneocide are the ones who are supporting the openly observable genocide in Gaza, right?
No.
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Bit like the redcross and the nazi work camps SS gard: look they are all happy with their conditions and we even have a play park. IRC: well I see nothing to the contrary. See you when there's another report.
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Is there truly nowhere else in the world where a severe drop in birthrates is happening? Is it truly only happening in China?
The fastest we know of, and during a campaign where there are widespread reports of suppression of the local ethnicity, including forced sterilizations
If "we" is the UN (I dont consider myself part of them), which doesn't even report on Palestine's birth rates since the 90s because it doesnt recognize it as a state. Do you have any non-UN based sources? They are obviously western biased.
Like, there's a lot of stuff happening why is this only a worry in China? America is experiencing a huge birth rate decline as well.