City roads should be ‘ripped out completely’ to fight pollution, says government adviser
City roads should be ‘ripped out completely’ to fight pollution, says government adviser
Dr Gary Fuller, who reviewed research supporting the Ulez expansion, has suggested turning cities into ‘green spaces’
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39I can't read the article (paywall), but it seems to me that there might be a distinction between road and street that some people in this thread don't know about.
32Nimby crash course, vocabulary edition!
Roads in the 21st century incarnation of English almost always refer specifically to car infrastructure.
Streets are not the same as roads, it describes the space between two rows of properties. Modern streets typically contain a road for cars, but also sidewalks, trees, gardens, lounge spaces, etc. There's a reason it's called street food and not road food, because they're selling on the streets and not in the middle of the roads where they'll get run over.
Every time something like this gets brought up, you always get Nimbys screeching how this will evict everyone from their homes or whatever, and I think it's because they think removing roads means also removing the streets themselves, when in reality it means the streets get restored and become much more welcoming and people friendly.
18Paywall.
10At this point, I'd settle for taking the 2-lane road segments in my town that turn into 4-lane nightmares and then merge back into 2-lane streets a dozen blocks later with bike lanes and parking, and getting rid of the 4-lane parts that often don't have sidewalks or bike infra.
Sure, these road segments funnel traffic away from the more-residential city grid streets, but they're also rife with speeding and they make it hard to navigate on a bike unless you happen to know which streets have any sort of infra
8Just add one more lane!
5I think the ideal is an alternating block structure
Pedestrian Street,
Road,
Pedestrian Street,
Transit only Lane,
Pedestrian Street,
Road,
Pedestrian Street,
Transit Only Lane,
...
Where Pedestrian streets cross roads, have car traffic enter a roundabout sunk below the pedestrian path, when they cross transit lanes, have a gate bridge that closes off the lane whenever a tram or bus isn't near the crossing, same deal when car traffic crosses a tram or bus lane
Voila, maximum restriction of cross interaction between three separate modes of transport, a full 75% of which is dedicated to pedestrian and transit use, and the last quarter there mostly just for the benefit of last mile package delivery and emergency services, as well as the odd profession that legit has to use automobile transport for whatever reason.
5So if a downtown business needs a new copy machine? a restaurant needs a pallet of vegetables? a hospital needs a new MRI system? what are grocery stores supposed to do to receive freight? Gonna build light rail to every loading dock in the city? Have an Amazon drone fly it in? Maybe we could drop frozen food off with horse drawn wagons.
Why is logistics an afterthought for... anyone with more than 2 brain cells?
Cargo trucks are the economy. Nobody has a replacement yet.
People are down voting, but nobody has a competent counterargument. Pathetic.
Have any of you ever tried to carry a box of books more than 10 meters?
-32Who besides rich boys can afford to ride their bikes to work?
Single mothers getting their kids to elementary and middle schools?
The elderly going to their doctors appointments?
Working stiffs who can’t afford to live in downtown?
What do you think will happen to rents when is forced to get an apartment in one of the existing blocks?
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