ProtonMail and SimpleLogin emails will be blocked from registering on websites

If a website won't allow me to register with my protonmail , I will just not used that website.

Damn, that guy's fucking dumb lmao

Sick of sites requiring an account, email or phone number. Makes the web even more unfriendly. I hope temporary emails can always get around filters, as if you play stupid games you should win stupid prices.

the discussion is happening here: https://github.com/7c/fakefilter/issues/73

Someone working at Proton has commented on the issue, the list maintainer wanted to take the discussion with proton private so we have only a few posts from them.

If you want my personal take:

It's very clear how the list maintainer opposes anonymity in the internet in any form, which I see as an attack on freedom, journalism and activism.

I'm not a fan of Protonmail of any sort and in fact I consider that their privacy is lacking... but I really hope they can talk some sense into this guy. This block list seems to be used by a lot of webs that will start blocking virtually every private email provider.

(Edit: I assumed the person that posted the email list was a maintainer, but they don't seem to have a "contributor" or "owner" badge, so idk. Maybe they are just very angry at privacy and anonymity on the internet)

OK simplelogin you can make an argument there, very stupid one though.

But protonmail and tutanota, wtf ?!?

Just because an email provider is privacy focused and offers custom aliases means all it's emails are spam ?

Fuck this shit.

Am I the one one thinking this post is blowing the topic way out of proportion?

The post title is clickbait in its purest form: nothing is being blocked (from what even). There is a single issue raised on some obscure filter list... This has no consequences whatsoever. I am wondering why Protonmail even bothers to comment on this issue...

Honestly, the more these one time accounts try to convince me to remove protonmail and simplelogin, the more I see how much it's needed to block them. It's like the marketing team is desperately trying to keep their services from being rightfully flagged and it just makes me want to block them even more. I do hope they won't cloud your judgement @7c , as these services are used for temp emails by all definitions. If you have any questions you may always ask me from the conversation we have started :)

Shit like this is what makes me want to pull my hair out at night

The issue has now been commented on and was closed by the maintainer, where they explained why those blocks would be nonsense.

Hilariously, the issue creator still hasn't given up and is now trying to communicate with the maintainer privately. 🙃

I'd really want to know what's driving them. Surely no sane person would be this persistent without some ulterior motives?

It appears that the Github user GalacticHypernova is not a contributor to the 7c/fakefilter project - just someone asking for some domains to be added. The current list does not contain proton.me or protonmail.com.

I suppose this might be a reasonable litmus test for the reliability of that list.

The one who opened an issue is either 13 years old and dumb as a log or a troll (also dumb as a log) and this project is barely used, like at all

So please, don't give them attention

The whole exchange between the ProtonMail person and the repo maintainer is wild. The maintainer is clearly grinding and axe and pretending we should thank them for it https://github.com/7c/fakefilter/issues/73#issuecomment-1785182508

Why does anyone care? The npm package has 3,712 weekly downloads. They're trying to act like it's some mainstream package that a lot of companies rely on, but nobody uses it...

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Funny, considering I've moved over to a paid proton account as my primary email, and my former primary email/Gmail account, with its ability to instantly become infinitely many disposable email addresses, is now used as exactly that. This same procedure occured many years ago, when I made my yahoo email into the disposable junk mail home, and my shiny new Gmail became my primary. I wonder how many years it be until proton becomes my disposable, and some as-of-yet to be created service becomes my new primary email. Or maybe email will finally be dead by then, and we'll use something else entirely.

I will say, even after all of these years, and using the living shit out of my Gmail account in many, many places, I still only get two or three spam emails at most during the entire year.

Based on this other issue by the same user, I think there's no cause for concern that the dev will actually blacklist PM/SL: https://github.com/7c/fakefilter/issues/69

Anyone working with GitHub probably knows that it'd be lunacy to just act upon every issue/PR that people come up with.

Honestly, the more these one time accounts try to convince me to remove protonmail and simplelogin, the more I see how much it's needed to block them. It's like the marketing team is desperately trying to keep their services from being rightfully flagged and it just makes me want to block them even more.

what did protonmail do to you ._.

this is someone probably <13

"RobloxPianoAutoplayer" "Anime-Clicker-Simulator-GUI"

what??

also their "Guardian V2" repo

Q: What is Guardian V2?

A: Guardian V2 is a side project of mine. Its purpose is to protect users from game/user-made malicious functions/scripts. It is highly customizeable

jeepers weepers man isn't it so cool to have their anti-cheat so customizeable??

as someone who uses protonamil as my main email, this is very disappointing

These genius also wants to block Tutanota too. What a joke. Never heard of this project and I will now go back to not hearing them.

I'm confused. Who even uses FakeFilter? And whatever websites do use it, most people probably won't use anyway lol

So I gotta start using my AOL email again?

Hah, there's also seznam.cz (meaning "a list") - I wouldn't be surprised if more then half of whole Czech Republic (so ~6M) uses that as their primary mail provider.
It's also a main local web search and maps provider among other stuff, and pretty popular with non-english speaking part of the population.

If the maintainer accepts this they would be most probably killing the project, can't imagine people using it when it drops their user registration by a lot because of blocklists this wide.

If that's the case, they should also block Gmail.

Well whatever 7c/fakefilter is, they just got unpopular.

Yeap 83 businesses are my clients. If they do this ,guess they will never receive my email. Poor IT support of all the businesses. RIP

The issuer is just a random GitHub user. Keep pushing back the PR.

Power Users: Block all emails that aren’t Gmail or Outlook!

Also Power Users: Why are Google and Microsoft monopolies!?

That's why I have setup a custom domain and catch all so I can create aliases on the fly. Was huge fan of simplelogin until I did a though experiment about ditching proton mail. I will not pay for email aliases.

Thanks for adding an update to your post OP. Good to know cool heads prevailed!

Do keep in mind, it seems like protonmail is considered a whitelisted domain in the eyes of lead that's running that project. I say this because if you go under the issues page of it and then select the whitelist issue which is the issue that he uses to keep track of every domain that will not be blacklisted, protonmail appears there. That being said the others don't appear.

That’s…a good portion of the free email providers on the planet. Even if companies are using this list as a filter for signups, it’s only going to be for a limited time.

Companies want new accounts. They don’t mind very much if those accounts are fake - big numbers get investor attention. It only takes a handful of support cases with “I tried to register but it says my email address isn’t allowed” before the C-suite makes it clear to IT that this filter is no longer in sync with the corporate strategy.

That was a fun read.

Hard for me to understand how blocking valid email providers like Proton, Tutanota, and Skiff, would actually mitigate any abuse. All it's going to do is hurt the websites with this filter and prevent privacy-minded folks from signing up. Unfortunate to see, hopefully they get some common sense and don't block these for no reason.

Nice raid Lemmy

I know I gotta receive some slack for this, actually all my temps emails are outlook ones, they do not require a phone number and I can redirect all traffic to my main one easily and sort it there with rules.

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Can someone please explain to me why they can't create the account even if it is used as disposable? Storing one text file with the login on their side does not cost much storage at all.

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This happens to me occasionally already as a paid Fastmail user. I switched from Gmail about a year ago and I can’t change my existing Yahoo account to use Fastmail.

I get it, we deal with fraud and abuse from throwaway emails all day at work, but it is frustrating for sure.

Every ~3 to ~5 years I change my free email addresses (gmail, hotmail/outlook, yahoo, etc.). Although, I don't use yahoo anymore.

I have turned a few of my old gmail accounts into spam mail trawlers as I “Gotta catch ’em all! ” and every time I have to make a temporary or single use account for a service I want to check out/try or I just foresee making only a single purchase I always use a gmail account+alias if they don't have a guest checkout option. The old gmail accounts are checked quarterly on a if-I-remember basis but at least once a year.

On first contact with any business, services or people I have never met in person I usually give a newer gmail address I check biweekly in case my forwarding filter missed something important.

Moreover, I use gmail incoming mail rules to forward copies of important keywords and specific email address to my 2 professional (redundant) emails for which I enabled notification on my phone, main desktop and workplace.

Gmail is so ubiquitous and well trusted that I can pretty much use it in any input forms for registration or verification. Their spam filter is also pretty good (not always) to skip/pre-filter obvious phishing and scam emails.

Even though I have already moved away or avoided Google, Microsoft, Meta/Facebook, LinkedIn, Apple, TikTok, Wechat, Temu, PayPal, Sony, etc. I occasionally still have to indirectly deals with them on a limited case-by-case but specific situations.

By excluding so many excellent email services they are inadvertently making sure that Gmail, Outlook and other allegedly "reputable" free emails services slowly become a junk/spam/marketing email dump that few would want to enable constant notification for and fewer would want to delve into and sift through daily.

Sorry, this became a long rambling rant about all the layer of protections I have to use nowadays to just avoid wasting energy and attention on the profusion of spam/useless emails.

I guess this is why spamgourmet became almost unusable in recent years. It's a pity because the service is effective at blocking spam but I can imagine there is abuse potential.

From 2018, I have been using fake emails for signup on websites that I am sure I wouldn't be using again.

In rare occasion that I do keep using the website, I change it to one of my 'useful' mails. This has kept so much spam at bay for me.

I still have a gmail address, which I got during the invite only stage. It is nothing more than a disposable address I use only for one off and disposable accounts now. I rarely go to my google account other than to "verify" my address once anymore.

Would it help if they could check if the account is older than one month?

Also this list blocks it too https://github.com/wesbos/burner-email-providers/issues/422

Please help!

Hey make sure to get me in the next screenshot!

Based fakefilter suggestions

This is why I don't want to switch from Google. You get stuff like this that happens. I don't want to lose any data or an account just because I use a different email