It's not just Adobe. Now Logitech wants me to go to a random website in order to add peripherals to my computer, and I'm met with this when I go to the page they tell me to

Lesson learnt. Stop buying products from HP, Adobe and now Logitech. Create a list of shitty companies and share it with everyone. Consumers have the ultimate power, stop buying g their product ans see how quickly they change everything back to normal.

Now imagine having to do this under literal pressure while trying to configure the Logitech controller for your submarine.

If your website doesn't work with non-chromium browsers your website doesn't work.

Wow, wtf Logitech?

Any simple device, that should just work by plugging it into your computer, that instead demands an internet connection between you and the device.. is 100% a device thats designed to steal your information/habits/etc.

because there is no reason to have the expenditure and costs of running a webservice otherwise.

Friend bought an Asus motherboard. In the user's manual, in the pins layout section, there's no instructions nor description of the pins, but instead a QR code and a text that tell you to scan it for the Pins Layout instructions. (Note: The page is mostly blank and have tons of empty space, beside the QR code and the little small print texts). Scan The QR code, lead to a page to download another PDF. Open the PDF, it have one single page showing the Pins Layout description. (That only took half of the page)

And my friend wonder why I got so mad.

You know you fight it? Return it. Say it doesn't work with your system. It's a perfectly valid reason to return a product.

Wait until you learn about the government. To get your birth or marriage certificate, my county requires that you go to a totally shady URL of a private company that actually is in the business of printing those and shipping them, for a fee of course. Oh and enter your SSN and ID please, without knowing if there’s any security standards they follow.

Am I the only one spooked that the government would not keep those records itself??? And ask a private entity that returns almost nothing if googled by name?!?

In the beginning there was NCSA Mosaic, and Mosaic called itself NCSA_Mosaic/2.0 (Windows 3.1), and Mosaic displayed pictures along with text, and there was much rejoicing.

And behold, then came a new web browser known as “Mozilla”, being short for “Mosaic Killer,” but Mosaic was not amused, so the public name was changed to Netscape, and Netscape called itself Mozilla/1.0 (Win3.1), and there was more rejoicing. And Netscape supported frames, and frames became popular among the people, but Mosaic did not support frames, and so came “user agent sniffing” and to “Mozilla” webmasters sent frames, but to other browsers they sent not frames.

And Netscape said, let us make fun of Microsoft and refer to Windows as “poorly debugged device drivers,” and Microsoft was angry. And so Microsoft made their own web browser, which they called Internet Explorer, hoping for it to be a “Netscape Killer”. And Internet Explorer supported frames, and yet was not Mozilla, and so was not given frames. And Microsoft grew impatient, and did not wish to wait for webmasters to learn of IE and begin to send it frames, and so Internet Explorer declared that it was “Mozilla compatible” and began to impersonate Netscape, and called itself Mozilla/1.22 (compatible; MSIE 2.0; Windows 95), and Internet Explorer received frames, and all of Microsoft was happy, but webmasters were confused.

And Microsoft sold IE with Windows, and made it better than Netscape, and the first browser war raged upon the face of the land. And behold, Netscape was killed, and there was much rejoicing at Microsoft. But Netscape was reborn as Mozilla, and Mozilla built Gecko, and called itself Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.1) Gecko/20020826, and Gecko was the rendering engine, and Gecko was good. And Mozilla became Firefox, and called itself Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; sv-SE; rv:1.7.5) Gecko/20041108 Firefox/1.0, and Firefox was very good. And Gecko began to multiply, and other browsers were born that used its code, and they called themselves Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC Mac OS X Mach-O; en-US; rv:1.7.2) Gecko/20040825 Camino/0.8.1 the one, and Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; de; rv:1.8.1.8) Gecko/20071008 SeaMonkey/1.0 another, each pretending to be Mozilla, and all of them powered by Gecko.

And Gecko was good, and IE was not, and sniffing was reborn, and Gecko was given good web code, and other browsers were not. And the followers of Linux were much sorrowed, because they had built Konqueror, whose engine was KHTML, which they thought was as good as Gecko, but it was not Gecko, and so was not given the good pages, and so Konquerer began to pretend to be “like Gecko” to get the good pages, and called itself Mozilla/5.0 (compatible; Konqueror/3.2; FreeBSD) (KHTML, like Gecko) and there was much confusion.

Then cometh Opera and said, “surely we should allow our users to decide which browser we should impersonate,” and so Opera created a menu item, and Opera called itself Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; Windows NT 5.1; en) Opera 9.51, or Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.0; U; en; rv:1.8.1) Gecko/20061208 Firefox/2.0.0 Opera 9.51, or Opera/9.51 (Windows NT 5.1; U; en) depending on which option the user selected.

And Apple built Safari, and used KHTML, but added many features, and forked the project, and called it WebKit, but wanted pages written for KHTML, and so Safari called itself Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; PPC Mac OS X; de-de) AppleWebKit/85.7 (KHTML, like Gecko) Safari/85.5, and it got worse.

And Microsoft feared Firefox greatly, and Internet Explorer returned, and called itself Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 8.0; Windows NT 6.0) and it rendered good code, but only if webmasters commanded it to do so.

And then Google built Chrome, and Chrome used Webkit, and it was like Safari, and wanted pages built for Safari, and so pretended to be Safari. And thus Chrome used WebKit, and pretended to be Safari, and WebKit pretended to be KHTML, and KHTML pretended to be Gecko, and all browsers pretended to be Mozilla, and Chrome called itself Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US) AppleWebKit/525.13 (KHTML, like Gecko) Chrome/0.2.149.27 Safari/525.13, and the user agent string was a complete mess, and near useless, and everyone pretended to be everyone else, and confusion abounded.

https://webaim.org/blog/user-agent-string-history/

Oh for fucks sake. It's getting to the point where this needs legislative intervention to put an end to this tomfuckery.

Every day, I'm inching closer and closer to pulling the trigger on moving to Linux once and for all.

Ok well as a Linux user I don't get any of this. I connect to the keyboard with Bluetooth and it just works when you plug it in. There are no pop-ups or alerts to go to any web pages.

Just saying life is quite a bit better here in that regard.

This picture here seems pretty damning for a monopoly suit. They didn't even include Firefox, meaning every browser listed is reliant on Chrome's Chromium engine.

Add that to the list of reasons I'll never buy Logitech again.

Enshitification continues. It has no bounds.

Fuck Adobe in particular. Greedy bastards.

"This browser does not support the application" No, the application doesn't support the browser

This is why google adding DRM to google chrome is another blow to firefox, website owner will definitly not want you to mess up with their site or block adds. and if you want to use the web you will have no option but chromium based browsers.

Since configuring a printer or a keyboard require online web applications, I'm looking forward the need for web app to setup my network card.

At least keyboards and mouse should be plug and play.

Thanks for sharing this, I'm definitely not buying Logitech products now.

I wonder if there's an open source/local implementation to connect your keyboard to the receiver?

Well, thanks for the hot tip to never buy a Logitech keyboard. I have a G604 mouse and it's really been giving me a headache, it conveniently started double clicking right after Logitech's in house warranty expired. A bit of internet research shows it's a fairly common problem with the mouse, though it sounds like Logitech fights people tooth and nail about it when it expires within the warranty. Often people get the exact same mouse back and are told it doesn't have any issues, yet it continues to double click. I really love the unlockable scroll wheel but between my mouse lasting just a year and now their web connect non-sense, I think I'll be moving on from the brand. Don't even get me started on their mouse software, they present Ghub bloatware as the solution, when the real answer to manage your mouse is the program they made for pro gamers called Onboard Memory Manager.

Please connect to theresasuckerborneveryday.com so we can steal all your information so you can use the thing you just bought.

So how long do you have left on your mouse subscription before it expires?

You gotta set up that monthly payment on your credit card!

Not the Logitech I became a fan of, glad they updated the name to Logi reflecting they're half the company they used to be.

I miss the old Logitech software and Logitech Gaming Software, from like 10 years ago.

Now I can't even launch the driver software to adjust my webcam or mouse behavior from my work computer because of legitimate Internet security settings preventing random background apps from exfilteating data, which is exactly what it's trying to do.

Customer support of course blames the user for their app that will never finish loading until it talks to the mother ship.

Modern software is honestly disgusting. I hate shit like this.

Sounds like a reason for a refund and a very very salty review.

Write to their customer support and complain.

I get this fun error:

Since I have no clue which random USB cable came with the keyboard I am locked out of the settings or updates for my 200€ keyboard.

Sometimes I think I might have spent too much for my FLOSS System76 Launch keyboard but seeing this kind of monopoly moat-building chicanery makes me feel better.

Have you tried the old "Unifying Software"? https://support.logi.com/hc/hu/articles/360025297913 Maybe try the Bolt app: https://support.logi.com/hc/hu/articles/4418089333655

Edit: the FAQ says you should be able to add devices with the Logi Options+ app: https://support.logi.com/hc/en-us/articles/1500007354982-How-to-connect-a-Bolt-device Have you tried that?

Last time I dealt with this I had to download that one to add/remove devices. It was always a separate app for some reason, maybe they just moved it to the browser?

Also about the firefox notice: I think in this case it's not fully Logitech's fault, it's not the classic lazy developers, you cannot workaround it with user agent switcher: Firefox doesn't support the WebUSB api, considering it's an usb device it should need this api: https://caniuse.com/webusb The supported browsers are same as the ones supporting WebUSB.

That's another thing that firefox deliberately doesn't support this api for security and privacy reasons: https://mozilla.github.io/standards-positions/#webusb

The next question is why they developed this app as a webapp? It doesn't make any sense. If you don't have internet you cannot setup your keyboard? There are still a lot of situations when people have to use their computers without internet, this just plain stupid. But I've seen a lot of stupid things from logitech, even though I love their hardware, typing this from my K750 solar keyboard.

LMAO Opera??? Jesus, Logitech. I love my Logitech mouse but this is reason enough to go with someone like Corsair next time I need one.

these sort of shitty browser support walls on sites worry me more about the browser DRM Google is developing

Tech is becoming aids. I miss the day you had an aux cable and a USB cable and that's all the fuck you needed.

They used to force you to download a random app to get your peripherals connected, which was incredibly annoying for me. Didn't think they could find a way to make things even more annoying. No more Logitech peripherals for me I guess.

I was already moving toward never buying Logitech again, but this shit seals the deal.

If this tool runs in the browser, I bet it's using the WebUSB API, which Firefox doesn't appear to support: https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/API/USB

This still does not justify having to use a web app to plug peripherals to a PC.

Unify is so you can add several devices to a single USB dongle. The keyboard itself should work out of the box without using that website, that's an extra feature

Want to actually stop this? Buy a device & return it because of this. Now repeat once a week at a different store. Use cash.

This recent trend of using the browser window to handle logins and authentication is lame. Several apps that I use at work use the browser for file tracking too. You open a shared file, which opens the browser, which then opens the program with the correct file. Like what the fuck? It's lazy and annoying. They polute your workspace with open tabs that you never wanted. If they're going to use the browser for handling everything, then just make it a fucking web app! But nooo! You need to download our program so that we can track you, even though we actually use the browser for all of the functionality.

Write mails, open support tickets, waste their time, so that they fix the problem...

Something something, Linux?

you can still do this without the webapp https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Logitech_Unifying_Receiver

They support opera but not firefox -_-

This reminds me that we need a windows port of Solaar (https://github.com/pwr-Solaar/Solaar)

Would be an instant return for me. Last one I bought didn't require anything (MX Master 3S) and just works out of the box with any machine, luckily.

Is WebUSB on Firefox unsupported as in "not implemented at all" or as in "available solely on the nightly build with a specific about:config flag on"?

Soo... Bye Logitech, it was good while it lasted with you.

Logitech has been making atrociously shitty fucking internet based software for pretty decent hardware since the first harmony remote back in 2001. Only buy their hardware if it absolutely will never require software of any kind imo

VIA jumped onboard to this proprietary stuff, too: https://usevia.app

It's a real shame. Related threads for both Logitech and VIA:

• https://github.com/mozilla/standards-positions/issues/459
• https://mozilla.github.io/standards-positions/#webhid

Was gonna replace my g502 with a new one but I'll be looking at other brands now.

Oh neat. We're back to the bad old days of "This website requires IE Version 6."

Are you fucking serious?

I bought a Logitech mechanical keyboard which happened to be RGB. I did not specifically want an RGB keyboard but it was the one mechanical one that was on sale at the time, and all the cheap(er) mechanical keyboards seem to be the gaming ones these days.

Yeah, so apparently there is no way to natively control or even turn off the lighting from Linux and it always defaults to the most obnoxious scrolling rainbow light show. My home office which I use for working night shifts remotely looks like a goddamn rave, really easy on the eyes when I'm sleep deprived as fuck at 3 AM. Is defaulting to a soft white backlight or something that much to ask for?

Training you to be phished.

This happens on Windows, right? What would happen on Linux, would the keyboard still work as it gets connected?

Is it to download the driver or for something else?

So, the windows app doesn't work anymore? That's pure garbage.

What's this? I've never seen anything like that on my Arch Linux.

I know Opera is Chromium based but according to statcounter Opera accounts for nearly the same % (actually slightly higher) overall desktop browser market share (Opera 4.48% : Firefox 5.96%)

Yet support for Opera but not Firefox 🗿

Fuck Logitech.

Yeah, nope. Pull that shit and I'll find something else to use, then make a youtube video of me smashing their shit in my driveway.

I rarely use my windows laptop for anything but a few core tasks, I swear every time I went to do anything I need to make a new account for something -i needed to log into my laptop's inbuilt system dash then I needed to make an Nvidia account to upgrade my graphics card drivers just to play baldurs gate - which has it's own pointless launcher which wanted me to sign up...

One day they're going to give all the data to an AI and it's going to say 'why the fuck do you make people sign up for so much bullshit? None of this data is even slightly useful' then it'll launch all the nukes

I've owned Logitech mice for years and they've all been solid. I have a Steel series keyboard and I'd like to move away from Logitech, but SteelSeries doesn't make a mouse with enough buttons. I use the G604 right now and it has the right amount of buttons for all the random productivity stuff, like assigning copy, cut, paste, paste as text, etc to buttons. SteelSeries mice either have a few buttons less than I'd like, or a moba mouse with like 30 buttons lol.

I haven't checked Razer but I haven't been thrilled with their previous designs and I just want to consolidate to just one piece of software. I've had a couple of one particular Logitech keyboard and a few of the LED would burn out and only display certain colors. And that was after a year or so.

Well I'm definitely not buying stuff from Logitech again

Does this mean no more mice and keyboards from Logitech?

Add Logitech to the shit pile…ugh

yes but look how good they score on ESG

also get rid of MS Windows and use linux also helps.

I've used the unification software a lot and it never required a browser for anything. That means that they went out of their way to change the way the program works and make it worse. This seems to be a pretty common practice these days. Companies take a perfectly good program and then actively make it worse. Just leave working stuff alone, damn it!

hmm, I usually end up uninstalling 3rd party apps and just go with standard MS drivers. too much useless bloat. last bought a generic Amazon mouse because it does what I need

Oh dang. I have a Razer Blackwidow, and enough buttons on it have crapped out that a new keyboard is definitely on my list. Not shooting for another Razer (their build quality has really gone downhill :-/) so I had planned on a logitech since I like how the buttons felt on my previous keyboard (some logitech model, no idea which).

That's a hard fuck-no on logitech though.

Any good recommendations? I think I want to hop off the mechanical bandwagon - I really like the feel (and relative silence!) of scissor switch keys. Super bonus points for backlit (don't give a fuck about RGB, just want to be able to see it in the dark) and programmable keys.

Never used Corsair before, but tentatively eyeballing this guy: https://www.corsair.com/us/en/p/keyboards/ch-9226065-na/k55-rgb-pro-lite-gaming-keyboard-ch-9226065-na

Does it work if you click Cancel?

It's kind of hilarious they didn't just build this into the options app. But WebUSB gets a bad rap for no good reason.

WebUSB's only sin is that it's being spearheaded by Google. It's a useful technology that means theoretically you only need to write to one platform - the web. Let the browser deal with the different USB APIs for each OS (please god google save me from libusb). It's safer because of the browser's sandboxing, the permission dialog, the much greater likelihood they're using good standard TLS instead of rolling their own encryption, the list goes on.

Personally, I'd rather visit a web page one time to set it up and then forget about it, than to have to install Yet Another Thing™ that ends up running in the background, always checking for updates, reporting analytics back to the mothership, and constantly sucking up just a little bit of my CPU time even when I don't have any Logitech devices connected. (Sound like any other Logitech software you know of?)

I had a Pixel phone that I wanted to reflash back to the standard factory image. Did I have to download a special program, reboot the phone into bootloader mode, and perform an ancient ritual sacrifice like I do with a Samsung phone? No, I just had to visit the right web page and click "yes, allow this page to fuck up my phone". No lingering software left over on my PC, at least once the browser cache goes away.

Same with many Arduino and ESP32 projects, by way of WebSerial. If the page you're reading doesn't have to send you off to some other program and can just, right there in the web page, flash your device with the software it's telling you about, that's a good thing.

The web is becoming the application platform of choice. No App Store guardians to reject you from it. No 30% cut to the man. The list of reasons to have to install a program to your native OS is shrinking. Even 3d games can be done entirely in the web now. Rejecting WebUSB/WebSerial just means developers have to keep writing stuff for every OS (if you're lucky).

wtf

Which is why I use my mouse in onboard mode after setting it up with someone else's computer

it's not a strict useragnent filter, they're displaying this for all browsers that don't have the web usb api
firefox does not support it yet (support is planned afaik)

I believe it is a trend in Chinese tech companies.

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IDK... the Unifying Receiver has always been a piece of shit

I just use Redragon stuff. It just plugs in and works. Only time you need the software is if you wanna remap buttons or change the colors.

Thanks for the info

This might be new. I've been using Firefox for years and have a couple of Logitech unified receiver devices. I don't remember chrome being involved. That would've pissed me off too.

If your keyboard is supported by ratbag, it might be worth using it + piper to configure your board instead of whatever this is

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sorry to drop in with an opinion, but I love my mouse festooned with buttons. Logitech and Razer have FUCKED UP MY DREAM

That's so frustrating and stupid. When I bought my latest mouse I went with a Zowie specifically because you can change the relevant DPI/polling rate functions with a button right underneath the mouse. It's simple. It doesn't require a proprietary third party application or website on my computer. And usually those things don't even work with Linux, not that I would want them in any OS.

Trying to figure out my next move when my harmony hubs become a pain or stop working altogether.

Logitech, no! 😭

To those wanting to jump ship, Logitech isn't the only mouse/keyboard company doing this and they've been trending in this direction for a while (ever since they ditched Unifying Receiver for Logi Options).

Many services try to get to use their bullshit app, I have never seen one forced you to connect to internet.

Well netgear routers started to require accounts, went to trash lol

😔

I kind of see the point in this.

Things I can do with Chrome'ish browsers:

1. Install GrapheneOS
2. Reinstall my Pixel phone.
3. Flash ESPhome devices.

All this with a single browser, no 3rd party applications. I think it's called WebSerial and it's a neat feature. Quite sad that Firefox doesn't have it.

Spoof that shit yooo

Change your user agent to imitate Chrome broski

You don't need to use anything web to set up your Logitech devices. You only need web if you want to sync your settings between multiple PCs. It's a very handy feature, by the way. Your hate is misguided here.

At least they made it work with Opera and not Safari.