China leads nations with new climate plans, defying U.S. climate denial
China leads nations with new climate plans, defying U.S. climate denial
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China leads nations with new climate plans, defying U.S. climate denial
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What a headline.
China - for the first time - announced an emissions target, and it falls short according to practically all independent experts.
China’s new emissions reduction target, announced at a high-level climate summit at the United Nations in New York, has been judged by experts as “timid” and falling short of the effort needed to meet global climate goals, even though it represents an increase in the country’s climate ambition.
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I'm not defending China, but this is all the countries in the world. There is no legal mechanism for everyone to achieve climate targets. Even if Trump never pulled out from Paris Climate deal, the deal itself is nonbinding. Nicaragua was right not to have initially signed it for that every same reason, because the deal will not punish anyone for not meeting climate targets. It is also unfortunate, but not maybe surprising, that the international climate funding became a money laundering, green washing scam because there is no oversight. Like, one construction of a hotel received financing from the fund because it has "green initiative". The funding became source of vanity projects and corruption.
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I fully agree that practically no country is on track, but the title literally says, "China leads nations with climate plans". This is outright false.
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And just a few years ago China was basically waving off climate change by giving it lip service and then producing well over the emissions they were claiming, basically thumbing their nose at the entire global community. Now they want to play ball. Even if they didn't come with a 30% reduction, this is a major step forward.
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I've been very critical of - well, not so much China or Chinese people as the current regime, but credit where credit is due - they have made an phenomenal effort on the environmental front, and there's plenty the rest of us could learn from that.
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Truly shameful for the US. Green energy should have been reframed as national defense long ago. Maybe then some of these fucks would get out of the way.
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Heh. I'm reminded of the story of what happened when Donald Sadoway was pitching liquid metal batteries to the US Army. He was asked what would happen if a sniper were to put a .50 BMG into one of them. His response? "Well, it'll leak a little inert non-toxic metal and then self-seal whereupon it'll just keep working".
...We still don't use those for reasons I cannot fathom, despite them being literally cheap as dirt and perfect for grid-level storage.
Every time somebody talk about renewables, some twat also goes "but what about storage?" and has me screaming "WE'VE HAD THE PERFECT SOLUTION SINCE 2009, GOD DAMN IT!".
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Their emissions per capita are up like 200% in the past couple decades. Meanwhile the UK and most of Scandinavia (not Norway) have cut it in half.
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I'm not sure who downvoted you, but China's carbon emissions p/c have more than tripled this century, and for only two years (up to 2022) in that period have they been less than the year prior, and even then, by tiny amounts.
Plenty of countries have worse figures (including the US, Canada, and Australia), but unless the trajectory has changed notably since 2022, it doesn't paint a pretty picture. The US has dropped by a third in the same period, though it's much too high.
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This doesn't make sense. China's new climate plans are insufficient as per a wide range of global experts claiming the 10% is by far not enough.
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it makes perfect sense. even if china is so far behind where they need to be, they're still far ahead of where the US is at. the only reason you're balking at this is your implicit bias that it's not a western country in the lead.
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China is ahead of the US, behind the EU and many other (Western and non-Western) countries (with almost no country or bloc is on track to reach the Paris agreement targets). These are simple facts. As the world's largest polluter, China should do much more than it does, but it seems there is not even a willingness to do so.
I won't comment on your accusation of being biased. I am not long here on Lemmy, but the reaction here if and when you criticize China is often weird. It's certainly not all, but some people appear to be personally insulted if you just say something critical of this regime. That's often not a sane reaction.
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So are we not allowed to criticize china for their legitimate failures now? It's all just because we're butthurt because the US isn't doing it? Fuck's sake.
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It is such a shame that 7-10% reduction is leading today. I know better then nothing, but still no where near enough.
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Putting aside the whole actual core subject material...
I find it bizarre to do a remote video attendance to an in-person meeting like that. I hate it when they plan that sort of thing at work. Whenever I am part of that sort of planning, I try to make a 'remote half' either before or after the event and an 'in person half'. It's just seems disrepectful to make a whole bunch of people travel and then waste some of that time listening to a person speak remotely that they could have listened to anywhere.
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These are absurdly modest goals considering that their previous 2030 pledges are on track to be achieved by 2027, and these 2035 goals by 2028. All of these goals without any growth in renewables, just continuing pace. They (or I guess someone else) would literally need to nuke their solar production plants from orbit to fail on this track.
Unclear why make such modesty. Invite US to think more fossil fuel investment is smart?
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Good for China. I hope the progress is measurable at the end of the day as we really need to get off the fossil fuels.
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Plans…
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Their renewable capacity has been exploding so its fairly realistic. The issue is that their total energy consumption is exploding even harder, so the ratio of renewables to fossil isnt improving very much.
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ITT: .ml users on their 2nd accounts simping for a fascist dictatorship
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One thing i've come to understand is that america does not at all seem to care even the slightest bit about having a future. Which, in my opinion, is super weird because it says in the bible (that the christians revere so much) that "when your messiah comes [for the second time] and you happen to have a sapling in your hand, plant the sapling first, then go see the messiah". Which means, especially if you consider it to be the "end times", that doesn't mean you should just not care about what happens after. You should still plant the tree, even if it takes 20 years for it to grow up and produce meaningful amounts of fruit.
But i guess something about wanting to have a future is "communist" or something.