Top US researchers rush to relocate to Europe
Top US researchers rush to relocate to Europe
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Top US researchers rush to relocate to Europe
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16000 more project proposals this year, but have they increased the pay of those having to approve them? Nope 😭
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Operation Pilcrepap
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If they'd like engineers as well, I'm ready to go too.
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Hello, US born engineer with only US passport, but I now live in Denmark working. Happy to answer any questions you have on it.
The super short is that it's been tough but very rewarding. We left before the last election so it wasn't specifically to run away from trump but that's kinda part of the idea lol
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You might want to looking at your ancestry. Many European countries have citizenship by descent. Given that many Americans are originally at least partly from Europe, you might find that you are actually a European citizen.
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How do you do this?
My grandparents are dead. Died before I was even born. Parents are maga so that's a nonstarter
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And as the US deteriorates, these programs will likely be the first to be curtailed.
I have people who have been refugees in my family - they'll tell you being early is much better than being late.
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... I actually fail from both sides. Without revealing personal history, let's just say I know one side of my family is not from Europe, and the other one is best described as "unknown, but fragmented enough that the answer is unlikely".
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As far as I know, engineers are desperately sought after in Germany, for example. On the "Make it in Germany" website, the Federal Ministry for Economic Affairs and Energy has a section with information for engineers.
Engineers also seem to be in demand in other European countries.
Maybe you'll find something with us – fingers crossed.
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You know Europe is like, five steps behind the US, right? The "we're still not legally allowed to call ourselves Nazi" party is winning in Germany, the continent keeps trying to make privacy illegal, and I'm pretty sure Italy already is fascist again.
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And yet that is still miles away from whatever is happening in the US. You are aware of that, right?
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Which means we still have five chances to change course before ending up where the US is?
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Facts are not wrong but analysis is
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I'll take the easy bait.
Are you saying EU is five steps behind the USA in terms of privacy and other social protections? I thought it was the opposite, there's already a far right wannabe king in the USA, weak privacy laws and weak social system that keeps getting dismantled by the current government.
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Don't known why you're being down voted. Things are bad in Europe. Economy is bad, xenophobia and extremism, cost of living. In a few countries there's already crackdowns on freedom of speech. On top of that there's crazy tensions with Russia.
Its true that culture is great and quality of life is very good if you can afford it but that's getting out of reach for more and more people.
US has way more advantages. Better to fight to keep your system and make it work.
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Additional context:
The program mentioned in the news is the ERC Advanced Grant. This is a grant for established PIs (professors, mostly) across all research fields and gives a shit ton of research funding... up to 2.5M EUR in five years (which looks like they'd give more for relocation?). I personally find increasing ERC funding a great thing to do, but this is in no way for normal ppl with normal careers lol, it's literally for "top researchers"
I'm surprised they didn't mention the record number of applicants for the Marie-Curie Postdoctoral Fellowship though. MSCA PF is specifically for non-European fresh PhD grads and new postdocs (so not quite top researchers, but close) who come to EU/EEA for work and vice-versa. They saw a record number of 17,058 proposals... +64.6% increase from 2024. Among this, only +17.1% (+181) for EU outbound, but a whopping +70.1% (+6,517) for inbound. I thought the MSCA numbers tells this story much clearer. Also fun fact, the MSCA PF funding pool got a -3.1% slight reduction despite the massive increase in submitted proposals... but anyways here is the 2024 report for scale
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Thanks that brings a better perspective indeed!
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how ironic that during the 90s people were leaving europe for the fuarking US. my gramps would be rolling in his grave seeing this.
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The collective rolling our great grandfather's are doing could power the United States.
Literally died fighting the Nazis and yet here we are...
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Isn’t most of Europe turning facist too? I’m genuinely asking because American media is reporting that Europe is becoming facist too.
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European here. There are many countries in Europe and some are more right leaning than others. Overall, there was a growth in the right wing (commonly mentioned as far-right) on what seems mostly against immigration. Except for Hungary, we are far from fascism. We could end up with fascism as well, but not for now
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Not really. While there's a concerning swing to nationalism, that also ignores just how much of an outlier the US is in both nationalism and economics.
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That was how Germany lost its leading position in science in the 1930ies. It was not only Einstein but loads of world-renonwned scientists which emigrated. It even marked the end of German as a common language for top-level science publication.