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‘A righteous fight’: Democrats hold fast on healthcare but also use shutdown to pummel Trump

www.theguardian.com

Finally, after nine months of Donald Trump running rampant over much in the government they hold dear, Democrats in Congress have found the ground on which to fight.

Pressed to vote for a Republican plan to keep the government open through mid-November, Democrats balked, and instead laid out a series of demands that amounted to the undoing of much of what the GOP has accomplished over the past year.

It was a nonstarter for Republicans and, after days of bluster and fruitless voting, the government tipped into a shutdown just after midnight on Wednesday. For Democrats, that may have been the point – pummeled by voters last November, the party has been looking for opportunities to remake its case to Americans.

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Call, don't email or use the feedback forum, to your Democratic senators because you know that most of them are weak-willed individuals that run off of ego and being liked and to unfortunately help them have the mental and moral fortitude to continue to stand up for what's actually right.
Here's my problem. What are Democrats looking to get from this? All I've heard is ACA subsidies. Extending the subsidies is a bandaid that I guarantee Republicans would absolutely love to be "forced" to implement. If they just drop 15 million poor folks (many of whom likely voted Republican) from Medicaid, and double the price of ACA healthcare for another 15 million, those poor constituents might take notice while Republicans continue to skullfuck the American healthcare system.
Alright, so let's say they win some concessions. This administration has been given a green light by the current sham of a Supreme Court to undermine and ignore Congress's ability to control the budget via "pocket rescission". The administration can just... not spend the money as it was appropriated by Congress. A budget passing Congress for X spending on Y doesn't mean that X will be spent on Y if the Trump administration doesn't want to.
Why make a deal if the other side has been blessed with the ability to legally ignore it?
They might have found it, but i fear they are too stupid (the party, not the voters) to both keep it up long enough, and to explain it to the people that the fault 100% lies with the GOP. They are prone to trip over their own tongues while the GOP happily blames the Dems as the sole reason for the shutdown.
- Absolutely agreed. This shutdown was inevitable and a savvy messenger would have been preparing the public for it for months already. Every day reminding the public that MAGA doesn't have a plan and only wants power to enrich themselves and their corrupt billionaire regime. Instead they seem to have an absolutely moronic view that 'actions speak louder than words' which was never true, and even less true in today's media environment. Meanwhile MAGA understands and is running laps around them with messaging. Schumer and Jeffries need to step aside NOW and get someone who knows how to communicate in charge.
  
  Quite frankly I feel like the media tilts too far right to get their message out anyway.
Hey y'all, if you see ICE, remind them it's their own cult leaders withholding their paychecks from them while asking them to stand out in the street and catch hate from their fellow citizens.
Man, punching themselves in the dick to own the libs.
- Considering how much the GOP fucked up nearly every good thing in our government, and how ICE is acting like the hillbilly gastapo...
  Like, yeah. Keep it shut down indefinitely. Can they do that? Will/can the oompa loompa just fuck up more laws, or is this a solution to one side of the government completely ignoring and harming over half the country?
- I keep seeing people saying ICE salary is on hold, but I doubt Trump would do that even if it’s true. They’ll find a way to fund his SS.
  
  You doubt that Donald Trump would stiff his own workers?
- ICE has an exception and is still funded
  
  Nope, "ICE agents also go without pay." (arc). The exception ICE gets is that they have to keep working while they're not being paid.
I state again - remake your case next year. If you can campaign rightly and focus on the ISSUES and what MATTERS instead of wasting your time bashing Trump because that has gone on soooo well last year. Then make it.
But if you're gonna just pummel Trump then waste your time, continue draining what little faith people have in your camp.
Are they going to demand an end to fundion Zionist terror groups, ice, churches, and the domestic repression tools of the military? To save money and keep taxes down?

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