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This but The Office
Good god that show sucks so much. Glad somebody finally said it. I thought the whole world had gone crazy. Their other show, Parks and Rec, was considerably more entertaining.
I like how Steve Carell plays out Michael, and I enjoy Dwight as well. But the rest really is nothing special. The whole Jim and Pam story arc was more annoying than anything.
It is crazy how good Parcs & Rec is compared to the office.
I love parks and rec, because every character is interesting. The office has like 3 and a half good characters
What did you think of Brooklyn 99 then?
Friends isn't funny, the office is like
Just dumb levels of cringe. Like so cringey no one would actually do that kind of thing, and I'm autistic. So it's so cringe I wouldn't do it. It's not even shitpost funny it's just
Humans being stupid?
Humans being stupid?
Yes, that's part of the point, like with Michael Scott being grossly underqualified for his job but landing it by accident and thus doing some unethical shit all the time. That's where this meme comes from.
Just like Seinfeld pivots on narcissistic and selfish people living in a terrible world who don't seem to grow from their experiences.
Don't watch Curb Your Enthusiasm. It's purely cringe comedy with very little in the way of other humor. I personally like that style, and even I have to stick to a single episode in a sitting. There's something wrong with Larry David because he's said many episodes were based on things he really did.
OMGF you would have hated Laverne and Shirley. When I was a small child mom had a diary entry of me saying it was hard to watch because I felt embarrassed for them. Stay far away from 70s TV my friend.
It's way too uncanny to feel fun to me. I didn't like Carrell for a long time but it turns out he's a good actor, just got paired with a lot of unfunny material.
There's some merit in both simply by encapsulating a snapshot in technology.
Things like corded phones and answering machines or the lack of internet are interesting in how they impacted situations and culture.
Why do people think it's so edgy to not like stuff. You don't like it, dope? I guess. I don't like brussel sprouts do we want to hammer on about how fuckin cool and unique that makes me?
Bro, chill out, people are just discussing what they like and don't like. It's like a point of social media.
Brussels sprout hate is a funny take for us olds because they used to be bitter when I was a kid. Got sweeter and sweeter and we bred them along. They're a totally new vegetable now! (I got the joke BTW.)
Tbf no one likes Brussels sprouts /s
Watching sitcoms from decades past through a modern lens is difficult.
Most 90s sitcoms haven't aged well at all. Multi-cam 3-wall sitcom in general don't. Single-cam higher quality production that aren't trying to replicate the old variety show live-theatre format have come around.
Sanford and Sons, Full House, and Cheers were really popular, but have aged poorly.
But things like MASH (especiallythe seasons after they dropped the laugh track), Arrested Development, and Scrubs have done really well because they didn't have an identity crisis between theatre and film.
MASH never had a laugh track. It was added in syndication and I believe the episodes, like Seinfeld, were sped up by small percentage to make them a couple minutes shorter.
I fully disagree with you though that there is no place left for classic sitcoms and that they haven’t aged well. While a little old still (but newer than Scrubs) I will refer to The IT Crowd as an example.
"Cheers" mostly aged well. Some misogyny and anti gay and trans jokes, but it is largely a show about people being kind to one another and building community.
Full House
My housemates played a practical joke on me back then where they were all watching Full House when I came home and rolling around on the floor laughing hysterically at everything. It was a scene where one of the Olsen twins had planted an M&M and was trying to grown an M&M tree. I was mystified at what was so funny until I grabbed the bong.
Want a show that holds up? Watch MASH without the American laugh track. My god it hits hard, totally different show. Guess you Brits and Aussies already knew, but damn, what a fucking masterpiece of drama, every season. I didn't know it wasn't a comedy!
You can get it without the laugh track? I've actually been thinking about MASH lately, so this would be a good way to watch it. How do you search for that? Do you search for a specific language/region or what?
You can't just watch friends for the first time in 2025, it's a bad show. You can maybe rewatch for the nostalgia but the show was clever at its time and paved a lot of way for another sitcoms.
It's similar to breaking bad, if you are just watching for the first time you may not find it appealing, but it was great in 2008 and new shows took inspiration from Gillian's direction
So it was great in 2008 and now it's bad.
Because?
I've seen friends back then. It's a simple show, it's funny if you like the humor, and it's altogether very well done. That rang true in 2008, and it still does because the show doesn't change, society has. You may mag about certain jokes now being oh so offensive, bit it's all pretty tame.
So it was great in 2008 and now it's bad. Because?
because novelty is a significant factor for enjoyment of media, and influential projects lose that novelty when the formula gets dissected, cloned, and repeatedly beaten to death
Not what was being said at all but ok
If you're really into fast cars, and you've gone to like Speedways and driven state-of-the-art race cars and muscle cars and all that stuff, then you go and drive a Model T it ain't going to hit the same. You're not going to appreciate it because it's not really the thing you're into it's the thing what you're into evolved from. You can like it from a historical perspective, but it isn't going to give you the same thrill driving it as a car that can go 250 mph.
It's the same thing with a lot of visual mediums like television. Things that were groundbreaking and amazing in their day can still be enjoyed from historical context but don't always work for people who are fans of the modern product. Not I Love Lucy though that still works fine.
I saw it back then and didn't think it was funny. The laugh track felt forced and I found the characters obnoxious. Watching Friends felt like being around someone who thinks purposely misunderstanding things is funny, so they keep doing it, and people keep giving them pity laughs. Meanwhile, you have to just stand there and tolerate it, even though you're getting more and more irritated every time it happens.
It made me cringe in the 90s, and I'm not touching it with a 10-foot pole today.
I rather watch The Expanse
Why aren't you laughing? The laugh track specifically requested this time to laugh.
Sorry ill always love it, the writing is clever and hilarious.
Not sure why its polarizing. Its just a feel good show. Letterkenny is probably more polarizing but I also enjoy that.
Friends was one of the dumbest shows my ex has ever made me watch. When she tried to make me watch Seinfeld, I knew it wasn't going to work out.
I genuinly enjoyed Seinfeld, although I don't think that it would be at my top three funniest TV shows. Friends however, I couldn't get into it.
As a kid, I didnt really understand the jokes or plot but parents would watch it all the time, and it had me thinking it was some sort of high brow humor I was too young to understand.
Then I watched it as an adult and realize there's some kids shows more witty and funny (e.g. The Weekenders) then the vapidity and fake-intensity reactions each episode has.
I could not deal with either of those shows either. People finally stopped asking me if I had "seen last nights episode".
"Did last night's episode have Jerry's hair? Jerry's teeth? A bunch of stupid fucking slap bass? Then no, I didn't watch that shit."
True, I found Seinfeld way more interesting.
Could I BE anymore of a paper-thin stereotype?
That was a nice serie, in the 1990s...
HA HA HA HA Ross!!!
It's aged not so well.
I always found it immersion breaking that they lived in the massive place they did, and that was before I released it was set in New York of all cities. Like all sitcoms tended to gloss over money but Friends was just a step to far for me.
It’s been addressed in the show. Ross and Chandler have good jobs. Joey eventually gets a stable acting job but is usually short on cash. Monica’s apartment is illegally occupied and rent controlled from when her grandmother lived there.
That does not explain it at all, a "good" job?! It was like a 3000 sq feet apartment in new York, where they astronaut stripper day trading porn stars?!
Also many of the plot directions don't work if they have access to money (hell you did not even touch on Phoebe). I get that it was TV and they needed good shots but at least Fraser made some sense with it.
Is this Stargate??
The Mummy
This is a crossover I didn't know I wanted until now.
Al Bundy does not need laugh tracks
It was in the 90s. Then somewhere in the early 2000s somebody came up with the idea to write a sitcom, that the audience laughs at instead of the laugh track.
Friends is just a big American dog scooting it's butt across the carpet of comedy.
At a "friend's" insistence a few years ago, I watched the first 5 episodes of Friends and maybe had one unintentional chuckle. It just isn't funny.
i watched the entire first season of how i met your mother and stopped when i realised i didnt laugh a single time
Back then the first season or two of shows wasn't good. They needed time to grow the beard.
When friends first went on the air, I remember being puzzled. The name was super lame, the episodes weren't funny but people loved it.
I was too young to understand that if you're good looking enough, everything you do is funny.
That show is like basic b and bro indoctrination propaganda
Wasn't all that funny when it was new either
Throw in The Office as well…
I saw some clips of Friends in which the laugh track had been edited out. Let me just say that this meme is well-justified.
I've mentioned this before and faced fierce pushback from friends fans. The laugh track causes such pacing issues it's so distracting.
I hate laugh tracks - but most of the show (as far as I can tell) is in front of a studio audience
It's a live audience, not a laugh track.
It's a live audience and a laugh track.
Yes, The majority of Friends was filmed in front of a live audience, with the exception of a few shots filmed on location here and there. I saw a recent interview with Lisa Kudrow where she talks about being frustrated on stage because of all the pauses for audience laughter, where the actors would have to pause and do some idle animation. That a television show taped before a live audience is expected to be different than a stage play.
I've also seen a "behind the scenes" video, I think as a special feature of the DVD releases, where they would swap out audience reactions. Because, for example, the take where Monica pops out from under the sheets with Chandler, revealing the two were sleeping together, the live audience went nuts for several solid minutes. For the broadcast version, they inserted an uproarious but brief cheer to keep the pacing up.
Compared to MASH or the Flintstones (!!?!), Friends' laugh track is a lot more genuine but it was at least somewhat engineered.
It's still a laugh track. The laughing is captured live, but presumably with a different microphone. They then mix the laugh track with the character's voices to get the levels they want.
Idk it's pretty funny quit crushing my childhood