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The writing in The Three-Body Problem (Cixin Liu) feels tacky

I have been reading the English translations and the characters and especially their dialogues feel very fake. I do appreciate the hard science aspect of the books but the long monologues, kids speaking like middle-aged philosophers, and army personnel being one-dimensional macho men breaks the immersion for me. It has the depth of a 1980s low-budget thriller.

I don’t read a lot of hard science fiction or translations of Chinese books. I don’t know if this is genre-related.

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I loved this series but I consider the characters as a vehicle for the ideas. It’s not really a character-driven work; the author is more interested in how humanity as a whole would react to his fictional scenario than he is with writing characters with depth. I wouldn’t necessarily say it’s related to the genre but there are a lot of examples of this type of writing in science fiction. I also loved Dune but I feel the same way about its characters to some extent.

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- the author is more interested in how humanity as a whole would react to his fictional scenario than he is with writing characters with depth
  
  This was my impression as well and I think it works only because the fictional scenarios are extremely creative along with sometimes gratuitous science-fiction details from the author’s imagination. And even though most characters seemed unrealistic as people I still liked them as characters and found them memorable.
  
  I also read (listened to) Voyagers by Ben Bova recently and while the fictional scenario was interesting, the character development leaned heavily on the relationship between the hero scientist and the promiscuous young scientist, a writing style which I found more boring.
  
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- Not being character-driven might explain why I didn't enjoy reading The Three-Body Problem, but in that case Dune is very character-driven by comparison! I love Dune! I find myself very attached to its characters and their relationships, both to each other and to the world at large.
  
  I'm on the same boat as OP on The Three Body Problem. The writing feels dry, the characters don't feel real, and as a result I don't really care about what happens in the story. I've read a few media translated from Chinese and few are as dry as Three Body. I'm not sure if the translation is just poor (I've heard it's heavily edited compared to the original) or if that's just how the original writing is.
  
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  The translator is a novelist in his own right, and his Dandelion Dynasty series is quite good. It's not the translation. I suspect it's a combination of it being a hard-sf "ideas" book, and different national styles in novel writing.
  
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  Oh agreed! I'm rereading Dune right now to refresh my memory before the movie later this year and I love the characters, but at the same time I understand where the criticism comes from.
  
  I don't think it's a translation problem; the second book has a different translator and if anything, the characters are even less realistic.
  
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I personally had a bigger problem with the science... I am a scientist and I worked on chaos and the three body problem, there are many elements in there that just killed my immersion by being wrong. One of them was the mathematician that was computing the solution to the three body problem. No sane person would consider that worthwhile! Chaos means sensitive dependence on initial conditions. Between other things, that means that any error you are making is going to be exponentially magnified in finite time. So if you only considered 3 digits of accuracy in your solution, you can just throw your solution away after a couple of time steps. But if you considered 30 digits of accuracy? well... you only get one or two extra time steps in which you solution still makes a little bit of sense! Check out this youtube video on the double pendulum, another well-known chaotic system, to get a feeling: https://youtu.be/ldnEHycw40E
Still talking about math, when the "the baby problem" planet is kicked away from the two-stars system, likely it would not be able to ever come back. Assuming the planet never actually leaves the solar system is quite a large assumption.

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- Thank you. That’s a great point. I hadn’t thought about it.
  
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- This kind of debunking is much appreciated! And doesn’t detract from my enjoyment of the book (and it’s sequels).
  
  You must have a high bar for science fiction as a scientist, do you have any recommendations tangential to this book? Thanks.
  
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  Tangential to TTBP I’d say “children of time”. Something about the writing style put me a bit off, but the story is great. It’s very plot oriented, with a saga that spans centuries without feeling drawn out. The characters, while being a bit simple, are compelling and believable. It relates to TTBP because it also talks about two competing civilizations/planets.
  
  Without restrictions, the hardest sci-fi that I utterly enjoyed was Anathem. It plays with physics, in particular quantum mechanics, with such mastery it’s hard not to believe the conclusions he draws. And in the meantime he plays with a lot of other concepts as well. As many of the books of the same author, it tends to put too many concepts together, but it’s worth the ride.
  
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