Woman gets yanked out of the car by paramilitary in Chicago for "impeding"
Woman gets yanked out of the car by paramilitary in Chicago for "impeding"
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I understand that sometimes there's no reason to record until there is, but boy... A little context would be nice here.
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Is there anything ice coild do that would make you think less of them at this point?
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Don't get me wrong, I think very poorly of ICE in the first place with everything they're doing. But if I'm going to show this to someone to try to change their mind that ICE is doing fucked up stuff, they're going to bring up a lot of unknowns, and rightly so.
I prefer to hammer the strong arguments (of which there are many) than trying to use the scary ones that may not hold up
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I know that the "cool" thing on Lemmy is to shit on police and whatnot, but we have zero context here. No clue what's happening other than her arguing and getting pulled out of her car.
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the context is she blocked their car from leaving with a detained migrant so they arrested her for "impeding"
now does that make it justifiable to you? depends - do you think somebody preventing "undesirables" from being kidnapped by the gestapo justifies arrest or not?
"but they're just following orders, if she didn't want to get arrested she shouldn't have gotten in their way of carrying out the law"....
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I just don't want us to get stuck in this thought trap where we see a cop and think "bad guy" every time. I've know and been friends with cops all over the US and I can say that a majority of them are just chill dides that care about their community. As for ICE (which I believe are the people in this video) I haven't interacted with any of them. It seems like a certain type of people sign up for that job though.
I still don't really know the full story of this clip so I can't make a judgement call on it. I'm leaning towards her side but I'm not 100% on that. I just wish more people would react with their brain instead of their heart.
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Is this guy wearing 3 bodycams?
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Honest question: Does one have the legal right to refuse to exit the vehicle? Under what circumstances can you refuse, and when can a cop legally force their way into the car and physically remove you?
I know all of this might be academic when we're talking about goons with a very loose understanding of such trivialities as "the law" and "the Constitution," but as an intellectual exercise I'd be interested in the answer.
Pennsylvania V Mimms says they can order you out of the car. There is another one dealing with the passenger. Mimms was based on officer safety concerns. But they take that as they can order you out for any reason and so far that has been allowed and not overturned.
So, if it was a lawful traffic stop, you have to comply. If it is an unlawful traffic stop, you probably, IANAL, don't have a duty to but probably should because you will not likely know whether it was a legal stop or not until well after the fact.
They said she was under arrest so at that point it's almost certainly legal even if you can win the arrest case itself after the fact.
If she was really impeding them though, it might be a hard win.
Like try blocking a police HQ driveway with your car and see what happens.