SSC Reddit having a normal one, OP fantasizing about murdering their child, I guess?
SSC Reddit having a normal one, OP fantasizing about murdering their child, I guess?
Utilitarian brainworms or one of the many very real instances of a homicidal parent going after their disabled child? I can't decide, but it's a depressing read.
May end up on SRD, but you read it here first.
If we see a child with no legs, we conclude they will never run(with the obvious objections out of the way). We should then be able to similarly imagine a mind that will never have the courage to kill themselves, or only after they have needlessly suffered for decades.
What the fuck are you talking about you inane little hitler
21this response is almost definitely going to pop into my head the next time I unfortunately read Reddit posts
speaking of inane little hitlers, Reddit drug understander
nootropic_expert(of course) sees nothing wrong with dosing kids without their consent:As i'm antinatalist l wouldn't have a kid but lets try to answer that hypothetical Q.
So I would support my kid in funding whatever would sooth his existence. In 2023 I would try psychedelics and even chronic opioid usage if psychs wouldn't help.
dear reddit, as an antinatalist, [worst opinion you’ve ever seen omitted for brevity]
11(with the obvious objections out of the way)
Rationality intensifying.
7actually fuck it I want to revisit this: these people have convinced themselves thinking machines are right around the corner, and are simultaneously able to twist their brains into knots imagining a reality in which we don’t currently have advanced assistive devices and prosthetics that are constantly getting better?
like, I know there’s some bullshit gotcha “well you see, then the prosthetic’s running, not them” lurking here, and god damn would that be a fucking stance for the brain uploading any day now crowd to pull directly out of their ass
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“Today I will display my mastery of LOGIC and PERSUASION by contriving a scenario in which one simply MUST mercy kill their adult progeny. The masses will PROSTRATE themselves before me in ADORATION. They will learn to REVERE and FEAR the magnitude of my brain.”
is definitely a normal one for an ssc user.
19What is it about Reddit and this specific scenario? I've seen people talk about how the brutal truth is that disabled children are bad over and over again. If you challenge this, you're naive and possibly offensive. It's one of Reddit's weird fixations (see also: father's rights).
16I think in a cultural landscape where we’ve been fed fascist male power fantasies for so long, it’s only natural that we’ve got a bunch of people who think it’s cool and good to be “brutal” and able to make “hard choices” and “doing what’s necessary” etc. That and reddit has historically always been besieged by fascist troll farms.
17That and reddit has historically always been besieged by fascist troll farms.
oh absolutely, and it’s very funny when they try their typical bullshit here and on mastodon and it doesn’t work as they expect (at least for now — I’ve seen various attempts from these assholes to adjust their methods to work better on the fediverse)
10Something something Sparta
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It's an alarmingly common occurrence in real life, so I don't think it should be surprising that it's also something people fantasize about.
8That's the bitter truth isn't it. You'd think the raw and bloody reality would put people off.
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"If we see a child with no legs, we conclude they will never run(with the obvious objections out of the way). We should then be able to similarly imagine a mind that will never have the courage to kill themselves, or only after they have needlessly suffered for decades. "
The obvious objections are so legion that there's an entire Paralympics category for people competing in track and field with double leg amputations. Refusing to allow the obvious objections for depression is ableist garbage.
16I love the implication in this paragrph that the disability is not the depression but the lack of "courage to kill themselves". I think they could probably live with that.
16Real boomer energy to look at a depressed person and lament that they don’t have the wherewithal to take care of themselves (meant both in the normal sense and in the mafia sense)
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Ok I thought this was about euthanasia but I clicked through and he's basically just advocating for family annihilation??? There's no way THIS could go wrong, huh??
14Somewhere in OP's other posts and comments I saw that he's a Vonnegut fan and so that totally tracks.
(I suspect a lot of rats think they're Harrison Bergeron or Billy the Poet, and forget that Vonnegut was lampooning wealth, inequality, social darwinism, and capitalism, and also that those aren't characters to emulate.)
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" Q2: Suicide is not the answer to depression and equivalent ailments!
A2: You should at least be able to accept that sometimes it is the best answer in our imperfect world. Your character in this scenario has come to believe this is one of those times. "
I feel like there might be some other issues with your parenting if this is the case. Chronic depression rarely comes from nowhere.
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For the purposes of this argument, near term AGI or promising clinical trials for depression are off the table.
FOX ONLY. FINAL DESTINATION. NO
ITEMSROBOT GODS.15Because that would be the first thing I thought of, "AGI." Like, my kid is really depressed; if we only had developed a robot who could think.
10funny that, considering that we might be close to end of beating around the bush and there might be reasonable, solid mechanism of action for all known antidepressants https://www.science.org/content/blog-post/how-antidepressants-work-last
meaning there could be new antidepressants based on that mechanism in decade or so, removing many of limitations of the previous ones (and probably introducing a slew of new ones)
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to give SSC reddit the tiniest amount of credit, they do appear to be roasting the OP pretty hard.
13Rejoice, in the real world we are already euthanising young people who couldn't get over severe trauma in a few years.
11Yeah, we don't really need the eugenics-loving weirdos of SSC to break new ground here; the general public just loves stories of Parents Pushed To Their Limits, the ones who smother or chemically castrate their kids out of "love."
11that is a lot of suffering and I'm glad someone in that much pain can address it how they choose
3i'm not
edit: i mean, to be less pithy; in the vast majority of these cases, "choice" is an illusion, there is intense pressure directed at the disabled and there is nothing to be glad about when you see a society offer death before they offer genuine help and accommodation. and i don't even want to contemplate the particular politics of this one.
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A post in the style of 'we should allow the Chatgpt say slurs else it will cause nuclear armageddon' there the premise 'slurs/justified murder of people I dislike' is picked first and then people rationalize back to support that argument no matter how dumb and horrible their thinking actually becomes. Discussing with somebody like this is imho useless as they just think they should be allowed to 'say slurs'/'murder people'.
8Imagine that you are a parent, and your child has the misfortune of developing chronic depression at a young age. Their depression resists all forms of treatment, and they live in near constant pain.
Mom and Dad breaking out the potassium chloride when you listen to too much Elliott Smith and refuse to smile for the family Christmas photo.
8archive https://archive.ph/Xg6VJ
7Holy shit the rationalists have really turned it up lately
4Acausal fucking robot god, what did I just read?
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