China’s property crisis deepens as another huge developer risks default
China’s property crisis deepens as another huge developer risks default
Investor confidence in China’s troubled property sector has been rocked again this week by reports that one of the country’s largest private building conglomerates missed interest payments on two bonds.
Investor confidence in China’s troubled property sector has been rocked again this week by reports that one of the country’s largest private building conglomerates missed interest payments on two bonds.
Damn so many tankies on this thread
24I have to say that of all things in China for Marxist-Lenninists to be defending, the Chinese urban real estate sector of 2023 seems like a pretty odd choice.
24Read up on the concept of "face" in asian cultures. China doesn't like it when they appear weak or stupid. In any arena.
10Who here is defending the actions of Country Garden?
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Happens anytime you mention anything bad and china. The apologists and downvoters come out and play. Same thing used to happen on reddit.
12That's pretty rude. I'm all for critism where it is due but seems like in any article about China rather than discussing the article we use the article to prove our preconceived notion is truth.
Same as I don't automatically believe any article I read about UK/US/Europe.
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Building ghosts cities to hold 30 million people and then not filling them. Who would have thought that’s not a valid strategy for property management?
20They are now filled.
3Some are, but not all. The point here is building entire towns or entire new city sectors in one fell swoop instead of planning them out and building them in stages so plans can be adjusted as needs inevitably change is a bad idea. It's things like this that have directly led to the current property market crisis.
Of course if buildings are already there it makes sense to use them, but they might have been able to put something better suited or more economically viable there if they had staggered the construction.
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Your propaganda is a decade out of date. If you actually read the article, the current issue is that a lot of people aren't receiving the housing they prepaid for.
Aside from that, I'll take "too much housing" over the hell world of trying to find a place to live in the US any day of the week. The ghost cities complaint always seemed like coping to me.
-17a lot of people aren’t receiving the housing they prepaid for.
the hell world of trying to find a place to live in the US.
Your propaganda
I'll just leave this here for you to think about.
5You are correct, the "ghost city" claim is about a decade old and in the time since then good functioning cities developed incorporating those infrastructure and urban resources built previously.
Zhujiang New Town for example can house up to two million people (often moving out from the 7-10 million living in the old areas) and while I dislike the urban planing of it, it was once among the foremost called "ghost city" in propaganda, yet it is larger than most cities in most states of the US as example.
I also agree that having too many flats seems to not be that bad a problem to have. Especially when 2‰ of the US are unhoused - even though there are millions of empty flats.
4Their housing market is still unaffordable for Chinese citizens. Rather be in an unaffordable housing market where I get what I pay for. Like the house, that I'm typing this in. Which I paid for, and then got the keys to.
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They have a tightly controlled economy. The government will do whatever it takes to keep a default from spinning out of control.
16yeah there are certain things they can't do, like magically create population they don't have. even the BEST predictions, based on China's own reporting (which is suspected to be very inflated) say they are in for a very harsh reality demographically speaking.
https://www.huffpost.com/entry/china-population-drop_n_63c69f7be4b0cbfd55f616e2
So yes they might be able to handle this current situation, maybe, but they are in for a very rough time of it and they have very few options.
3Shrinking population +people buying as many apartments as they could as it was viewed as the only "good" investment (their stock market is a complete joke, filled with scam companies with fake numbers run like ponzi scheme). The real estate market there is due for a wild correction. The housing market in America has been manipulated by greed but at least there arent as many empty apartment buildings. Here people are least rent out their real estate and become slumlords.....
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"Oh no, it's the consequences of my misgovernment."
15They are right on the cusp of the 2nd step of fucking around ...
1Which government actions led this private corporation to fail?
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https://trends.google.com/trends/explore?date=all&q=china crisis
Seems China is always in Crisis according to Western news. The consequences seem to not be there though.
Instead wages increased threefold within ten years. It is funny that the Isle of Man got the most searches for "china crisis", I would guess cause it is a tax haven and therefore sensitive to such "news"?
Without joking, China did manage to succeed through ten crisis and you can read Wen Tiejun's book about it
-20Today: a weatern basement-dweller furiously defends a murderous authoritarian regime, while eating a burger and shit-posting on the world-wide(almost)-web.
In other news, there's water in the ocean.
15They’re posting from lemmygrad.ml, so that should give you an idea.
The article literally quotes Chinese state media’s report on the matter.
19Touch grass, you project stronger than the Leica Cine 1. If the admins would do your job your comment would be deleted already. Click my link, does that look like there are often news about crisis that don't come to fruition? Sure does. Do you disagree with the book you can receive from Springer Link?
While property dealings can have effects (look at my link at see at 2008/9 how impactful the financial crisis from the US was even for China), the article doesn't manage to break beyond the general sentiment. Articles like that are often followed by high noise low signal comments which mirror sentiment of the user base, in this case mostly US dwellers that are underemployed. So a bit Sinophobia is expected, likely with topics related to property, so "Ghost cities", "expropriations", "shady construction" while using standards the people don't actually hold up in regards to their own countries.
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Go away lemmygrad.
11Their population demographics are a problem that is going to be much harder to manage. If they succeed, good on them for figuring it out. But they've managed because they've had fresh population to feed into their economy. That is NOT going to happen going forward. So they better change their strategy.
Honestly, I hope they do for the sake of the human beings living on that piece of earth currently ruled by the CCP. I actually wish them no ill will and the rest of the world is likely to suffer if china has a full on collapse.
And yet still, fuck the CCP.
2To be fair I mean it's called the Isle of Man, of course people are going to Google it.
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