Thank you, Tux. I will take your advice and create new leftists. Should I tell them about Foss too, or should that wait?
89Well everyone's journey is different. I started with just finding out how cool programming is, learned about foss, and then one day said "why doesn't everything follow foss principles?"
46and the answer, as with all things, is "because developers have to eat"
15my dad bought me a samsung galaxy ace, because an iphone was too expensive. now i run around with a fairphone telling people how great linux is (i never used linux for more than a day)
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Tell them about Arch Linux.
15Gor The Little beans, give them a few, for the 15 and up crowd, lay it on
6For the little beans…
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You'll never change someone overnight or in one conversation, but every time you say something radically leftist, you're planting a seed in uncle Jim-Bob that will slowly shift their way of thinking. Deradicalizing conservatives, racists, fascists, etc is hard as fuck. The important thing is that when someone goes to you and intentionally starts questioning their ideals, you've been handed the opportunity to change their mind slowly over months/years
50There reaches a tipping point though. When you hear something radically right leaning does it plant a seed that slowly shifts you? Or does it annoy you and get immediately pushed away?
8The difference is in the truth. People gravitate towards the truth, it takes conditioning to divert people from the truth. "I'm not being paid enough to live comfortably. Why could that be?":
- A complex economic system that prioritizes the growth of wealth for a small privileged minority, means that i will never be paid the full worth of my labor
- jews
Why do people ever go towards the second one as their answer? It takes a convoluted web of lies being bombarded on the person daily and sucked down a pipeline of outrage.
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While I like the sentiment, it's not entirely true.
You can't convince people to change their core beliefs. That's not how deprogramming works anyway. Cult deprogramming starts by asking them to explain and asking questions that let them unravel the problem themselves. Pointing out people's internal contradictions tends to reinforce them, but when they run in to their own contradictions those absurd beliefs tend to unravel.
38questioning their logic is really effective, ask one good question and don't expect an answer. that question will haunt them and make them realize they're probably wrong a few hours/days later.
actually saved someone from the "immigrants bad, pure germans strong" rabbithole.
17Inception rules basically
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"Mommy, what does 'we shall make no excuses for the terror' mean?"
32My highly religious uncle that looks like a literal gnome is the most entertaining one to be around, but only if one can mange to sneak away to smoke weed first. Otherwise it's just a lecture about how everything I'm doing with my life goes against god.
26My religious family gave up on the "you're a sinner" lecture after I made it super clear that A) I don't care and B) I'm not going to argue with them about it. If I got mad or tried to fight about it, they LOVED that shit, but being like, "yup!" and throwing some finger pistols their way and they don't really have a response besides telling me to not sin. But they can only keep that up so long when you're like, "oh no doubt, Uncle Fuckface."
I mean, I also don't talk to them anymore so that really solved the problem, but the cheerful agreement that I'm for sure going to hell got me through my teenage years/early 20s. Surprise, I didn't get less queer even after all the lectures!
23If those kinds of assholes are the ones going to heaven, I'm glad I won't be joining them.
14The 'Lecture' stopped bothering me a while ago for the same reason as you, it's just way more fun to antagonize them about it while high.
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That's okay, everything he did with his life goes against God, too.
Not that anyone knows what God thinks. Even the Pope has admitted as much.
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Hard to do that when Grandma is already there with a plate of cookies and a special message from Jesus on how to spot the horrible liberal communist in the room.
25The horrible liberal commie needs to learn to bake cookies. I did. And I've managed to be the person who is making the cookies that everyone is looking forward to.
12Always member when was the only time that JC lost his shit. It was with the merchants and the money changers.
4Just be the cool uncle and offer them drugs or robucks.
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Communist Penguins are a pretty good symbol for most of the users on Lemmy. (Or maybe just the most vocal users.)
20I use penguin btw
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please don't actually
17too late bucko
12no, please do, it's so fun
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I need advice on how to radicalise 3years old
14They need to learn sandbox rules at that age anyway, and since sandbox rules boil down to:
A) Be nice to everyone
B) Share your toys/the playground with others
C)Having friends is better than having enemies
They'll radicalize themselves for a few minutes at a time till they are about 7, then you'll have to work against the conservative brainwashing. Up till then the kids know what equality means far better than most adults do.
34Communism is essentially sandbox rules extrapolated to societies of billions. Though there are case-specific sandbox rules like:
J) In case of emergency, get yourself safe. If you can manage to check on others, get them safe too.
K) Everybody gets a cupcake. If there's not enough cupcakes portion out partials while helping with cupcake production.
L) Do not escalate when someone engages in malicious or hostile behavior, rather gather the community to seek to comfort those harmed and route out underlying problems.
M) SEIZE THE MEANS OF PRODUCTION! LET THE BOURGEOISIE TREMBLE BEFORE THE REVOLUTION!8I wouldn't be leftist if it weren't for my parents teaching me to be kind and generous. My parents are not overly political and partisan, but their values are gateway to developing my own personal philosophy.
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Tell them sharing is caring. Ez pz
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Nah, I don't dine with fascists. I've made that very clear that if fascists are invited to dinner I will not attend, and take it as my family expressing a preference for their company over mine.
10That would just give the racist uncle what they want. Fuck that. The racist uncle wants to put you in a low status place like the kids' table so he doesn't have to pretend you're an equal and can regard you as an inferior.
10Why do you care what racist uncle thinks though? Is it going to affect anyone in the world other than him?
31It doesn't matter. Racist uncle is going to die early from a heart attack and those kids are going to be the people in charge when you're needing to be cared for- invest in them.
20It matters to me and literally everyone else.
Racist uncle will live to his high 70's, early 80's on average. And you know what he does? He abuses those kids you're trying to radicalize.
And all those kids will do is grow up to resent your iniquities and cowardice for refusing to stand up to racist uncle, because they know you only address them because they are weaker than you and easier for you to influence. Because it's obvious to them you care more about using them as a political tool than about saving them from racist uncle, who molests them whenever he gets a chance. As in a lot. Their dads probably do, too, statistically.
But have fun defending racist uncle, cousin alt-righter. Don't tip your fedora too hard
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I don't have any family members like that, but I do have an aunt who for lack of a better term believes in pretty insane tankie shit, no one talks to her though, technically we don't invite her for christmas, she just kind of shows up and we let her join because she's already there, if it were up to me I wouldn't but my mom doesn't want to do that to her sister (even though they ignore each other the whole time).
9First Dog on the Moon my beloved
6I'm going into the den of racists this year, wish me luck
6Why would you need to "radicalize" anyone for normal rational thinking?
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