After approving blessings for same-sex couples, Pope asks Vatican staff to avoid 'rigid ideologies'
After approving blessings for same-sex couples, Pope asks Vatican staff to avoid 'rigid ideologies'
Pope Francis has urged Vatican bureaucrats to avoid “rigid ideological positions” that prevent them from understanding today’s reality
Pope Francis has urged Vatican bureaucrats to avoid “rigid ideological positions” that prevent them from understanding today’s reality
Pope Francis urged Vatican bureaucrats Thursday to avoid “rigid ideological positions” that prevent them from understanding today’s reality, an appeal made days after he formally allowed priests to bless same-sex couples in a radical change of Vatican policy.
Francis used his annual Christmas greeting to the Holy See hierarchy to encourage the cardinals, bishops and laypeople who run the Vatican to listen to one another and to others so they can evolve to truly offer service to the Catholic Church.
Speaking in the Hall of Blessings, Francis told them it was important to keep advancing and growing in their understanding of the truth. Fearfully sticking to rules may give the appearance of avoiding problems but only ends up hurting the service that the Vatican Curia is called to give the church, he said.
“Let us remain vigilant against rigid ideological positions that often, under the guise of good intentions, separate us from reality and prevent us from moving forward,"the pope said. "We are called instead to set out and journey, like the Magi, following the light that always desires to lead us on, at times along unexplored paths and new roads.”
Is this man actually trying to get into heaven or something?
56I hate the religion, I hate that there's even a pope. But this guy, He's the fucking best.
30Honestly as Christianity goes the Catholics are fucking moderates these days. Which really is saying something.
Also the Pope has like, the world's best hat.
We're a non-religious, casually Christian affiliated family and we're seriously thinking of sending our daughter to a Catholic school just for the far higher quality of education. (No concerning priests or nuns btw, these are government run schools)
I never would have even considered it as an option 10 years ago. But they really do seem to have their shit together, terrible acts in the past notwithstanding
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It's like he doesn't even know what being a Christian is about!
Hate and judgemental behavior.
8his days are closing in
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Pope Francis says to avoid Rigid Ideologies?
So, pope Francis says to avoid Catholicism.
In the name of the father, the son, and the holy Spirit. Amen.
54A part of me thinks he knows what he's doing.
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How do you be gay and catholic?
31Same reason how you can be a woman and a catholic: Indoctrination
31It’s not gay if it’s a young boy duh! /s
This is actually a huge issue though on accepting the LGBTQ+ community at large and getting them in at least here in the United States. A lot of other religions have started to and I have gay and trans friends that go to these churches because they accept them for who they are and don’t try to shame them or try to change them
19Church always has at least one extremely obviously gay dude serving. My interpretation of that stereotype is that usually that gay dude has the fear of god and his daddies belt instilled into them. Not a cute look. This usually prevents dates from being in public and reduces the whole situation into hidden meetings and idk, I wish them the best and to eventually see out of the church.
6Short answer is: You just be gay and also Catholic.
In most Catholic churches, no one is going to care that I bang dudes any more than they care that I show up on Christmas and Easter.
They care significantly more if you say "Thanks!" when receiving communion than they do that you're gay.
Catholics aren't Evangelicals and they care about radically different things.
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“Let us remain vigilant against rigid ideological positions that often, under the guise of good intentions, separate us from reality and prevent us from moving forward"
Never expected pope to diss christianity.
30(Former christian) this whole Pope business has been sooo interesting. And I mean it in a non-ironic way.
9Former Christian here... I'll give the religion credit it allows for a lot of openness and exactly what the pope is talking about. The main icon of Christianity was all about accepting people, legit the time where Jesus got angry with whips and table flipping was because money changers and vendors were cheating the poor (long story: You had pilgrims that would come bringing currency that would not be accepted by the temple so the money changers would do exactly what was on the tin... for a fee, and then the temple was selling animals to be sacrificed, the doves being brought up specifically because they were sold to the poorest that couldn't afford the bigger sacrifices.) This is the idealogical head of the religion who is said to have sat and dined with those considered sinners while shunning the so called "faithful"
Honestly even as parable the stories in the bible are perfect reflections of the way most Christians would react. It's said regularly that the Christians would kill Jesus as a heretic if he came back... ignoring the fact that it was those that had power within the church that crucified Jesus in the Bible.
I got lucky in being raised to go to a church with a preacher that was big on critical thinking. Another fitting example of Christianity ignoring its own teachings, post 9/11 said preacher gave a sermon talking about a religious extremist with a middle eastern background that spoke out against the prevailing government at the time, explaining that was exactly who Jesus was, the sermon on not hating from statements just made by assumptions, had the magazine that on the cover that had the 'real face of Jesus' to show not your white long haired man but the middle eastern face as a part of the sermon... naturally said preacher was politely "let go" from the church.
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Are we gonna end up with an anti-pope?
I really don't know, I just know the term and it sounds cool.
30Honestly it's possible. Certain diocese of the church (looking at you USA) have become far more conservative as the rest of the Church has passed them by. Vatican 2 has fully taken hold, and I really don't believe the conservatives hold enough power in Rome to elect one of their own when Francis passes.
They very well might just take their ball and go home like the "Old Catholics" did after the reforms of the First Vatican Council.
22GAY POPE GAY POPE GAY POPE
PLS 😭🙏
12Im afraid, he is giving strong hetero vibes with this...
heterodox vibes
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I mean, there are already plenty, for example, Peter III, who leads a Spanish church that believes they are the rightful Church. (Also, antipope is a subjective word, like heretic. From the perspective of various sects, the Pope Francis is the antipope.)
Nothing stops you from calling yourself Pope and claiming you're the rightful leader of the Church, hereby making you an antipope to the eyes of the Church.
Now is there going to be a relevant antipope, that's a lot less likely.
The relevancy of antipopes hinged on the political power of the pope. Having the pope at your beck and call was an extremely powerful tool in the Middle Ages. But nowadays, between the secularization of most Catholic countries, and the massive loss of influence of the Catholic Church, an antipope would only have as much influence as his followers would give him, especially since they wouldn't have the support of the Holy See or the Church.
6Still I think if you are an anti-pope you kinda know it. You aren't in the Vatican and people aren't drooling on your ring.
3(Also, antipope is a subjective word, like heretic. From the perspective of various sects, the Pope Francis is the antipope.)
I thought the Church claimed an unbroken line of popes going back to the apostle Peter.
Wouldn't any competitor only have a legitimate claim if they named their first pope during the brief downtime between popes? Otherwise they're just another protestant sect.
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Yay! The pope has given me permission to fuck again! Sure have missed the sexing.
16Isn't having gay sex still considered a sin in Catholicism? I thought those blessings didn't count as a marriage and having sex while not being married was a thing that constituted as a sin as well?
9The story of lot is actually incorrectly translated. It meant to say something along the lines of “the city was so rotten that the townspeople would sell their boys into sex slavery”
The evil is selling your kids. To gross people. That mean harm.
People took that as, they were gay so god drowned them in molten salt.
16Everything is a sin in Catholicism, because the point of the religion is that nothing you can do can escape sin.
A major difference between Catholics and Protestants is that in Catholicism you're expected to attempt to live a life as Christ wanted you to, and not just get a "free space" from Jesus for saying you believe in him.
Thus, gay people are unlikely to get Catholic marriages or become priests, but Catholics also don't think gays are inherently more evil than any other sin, as a general rule.
The Catholic Church is not immune to change, and if readings of Scripture change so that gays are seen more favorably, or that women should be allowed in the clergy (neither of which is improbable, on a long timeline), then Catholic standards will change.
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Found the priest. Just make sure that break of celibacy isn't with the altar boy, you lil scamp!
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Can he avoid fucking with the US Supreme Court and stopping his legions of priests from fucking small children?
15How exactly is the Vatican fucking with the Supreme Court? (I'm not defending anything, I'm just genuinely curious)
2We have the most members on it right now who are Catholic in its history. Which caused an abortion ban and systemic stripping away of the rights of atheists.
2The youngest and least qualified member of the supreme Court who was forced through in the waning days of Trump's administration, Amy Coney Barrett, was raised as and is still a member of the People of Praise, a para-church organization which consists mostly of Catholic members. People of Praise is a highly conservative organization that touts strong gender roles and is overall highly secretive.
At one point it is believed that Coney Barrett was the highest rank a woman could have in the organization, with the title of "Handmaid".
During Amy Coney Barret's confirmation hearings, the people of Praise purged all records of their magazine and member profiles from their website.
The People of Praise organization has been accused of covering up for child abusers on multiple occasions.
Source: Washington Post and the People of Praise Wikipedia article
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It's official, the Pope identifies as ideofluid
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May this be the beginning of the end of this fucking cult.
8i wouldn't put my hopes up
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What is even the point of religion now? They profess to be a moral compass, but when they catch-up with the times, half of their followers cry "traitor!".
7Sort of like Christianity?
7Too bad choir boys can't dodge rigid idealogues.
7lol. His entire life is dogma; his position, home, city, and organization are a rigid and non critical exercise.
7Recently heard a catholic who once tried to tell me that everything the pope does is ordained by God, and therefore "good", go on a tangent about how the pope is now corrupted by Satan and "needs to be taken care of" with the clear intention that someone should murder the pope over his "not as negative as it used to be" view of lgbtq.
Weird how their priorities used to be "God church family country" back then and all it took was a little taste of fascism to turn them To "my chosen human replacement for Jesus, the group of people who look and vote the way I do, THEN maybe church, family mixed in there too if they look and vote the same way I do"
6Nothing is real anymore
6Except our outrage
2Not sure. Outrage has been commodified with clicks and merchandising. We should have been out in the streets, burning buildings 30 years ago.
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Jesus Christ.
5Vgh
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It's good for the soul to avoid rigid ideologies... Perhaps all ideologies.
5That is a highly ideological thing to say.
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This isn't an actual step forward, just a ploy to keep religion going for as long as possible.
It's obviously all a lie, they just keep softening their policies to stay relevant in modern times. Imagine if they stuck to their old believes from a few hundred years ago or actually followed the bible, they'd become irrelevant in just one generation.
So instead they adapt to keep their power.
4This is how you exist as an institution for thousands of years, yes
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Seems a little too late to try and pivot and get young parishioners back. They gone, people don't go back to their old religion.
4This is the best summary I could come up with:
Pope Francis urged Vatican bureaucrats Thursday to avoid “rigid ideological positions” that prevent them from understanding today’s reality, an appeal made days after he formally allowed priests to bless same-sex couples in a radical change of Vatican policy.
Francis used his annual Christmas greeting to the Holy See hierarchy to encourage the cardinals, bishops and laypeople who run the Vatican to listen to one another and to others so they can evolve to truly offer service to the Catholic Church.
“Let us remain vigilant against rigid ideological positions that often, under the guise of good intentions, separate us from reality and prevent us from moving forward,"the pope said.
"We are called instead to set out and journey, like the Magi, following the light that always desires to lead us on, at times along unexplored paths and new roads.”
Progressives and advocates for greater LGBTQ+ inclusion in the church hailed Francis' declaration as a long-overdue gesture of welcome and acceptance.
Citing the teachings of the modernizing Second Vatican Council, he urged the assembled prelates to listen to one another, discern decisions and then journey forward, without being tied to preconceived prejudices.
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2As someone who went to Catholic school for 12 years:
wut?
1That bit about condoms?
1Watch christians and catholics ignore everything this bullshit artist says. The pope has minimal control, refuses to use it, and reigns over one of the largest religious hate groups on the planet.
Their entire religion is a 'rigid ideological position". How the fuck are people in that religion supposed to ignore those when the entire religion is one? Just more stupid contradictory illogic that doesn't mean a thing.
1Watch christians and catholics ignore everything this bullshit artist says.
Just going to point out Catholics are the only ones who give a damn about the pope. Protestansts view it as idol worshiping, kinda the whole point of Protestantism.
13Romans catholics. You can be catholics without following the pope leads.
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"Just more stupid contradictory illogic that doesn't mean a thing."
I mean... the topic is religion. What else were you going to get?
10Their entire religion is a 'rigid ideological position".
Don't forget you can be Christian without being homophobic. The bible doesn't say gay marriage is illegal. It's just those bigots that seem to think so because they're ignorant and haven't actually read the fucking thing.
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Why did they adopt "magi" for the Wiseman? When historically it has been used to describe a magician, alchemist, witch, etc.
0what he really means is avoid “rigid ideological positions” like "don't rape children"
-4I actually dont like this. Im not super religious but hold your fucking ground. If you say something is not allowed then dont get pushed over because thats how society has transformed. He should be saying heathenism is rampant not "lets figure this out together babes, im sure god can come to an understanding".
-13if humans would only hold their ground they'd still be stuck in the caves.
critical thinking and changing your mind show strength, not weakness.
15congrats, you just made some nonbelievers, believe again
4Then i saw her face
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God forbid that the church that preaches love and forgiveness for all shows love for all right?
3???????
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Only men can have erections ;)
-14Removed under rule 4:
Rule 4: Posts or comments that are homophobic, transphobic, racist, sexist, ableist, will be removed. “Ironic” prejudice is just prejudiced.
8Why are you thinking about erections my dude?
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