How Two Pharmacists Figured Out That Decongestants Don't Work
How Two Pharmacists Figured Out That Decongestants Don't Work
A loophole in FDA processes means older drugs like the ones in oral decongestants weren’t properly tested. Here’s how we learned the most popular one doesn’t work
A loophole in FDA processes means older drugs like the ones in oral decongestants weren’t properly tested. Here’s how we learned the most popular one doesn’t work
In 2005, federal law compelled retailers nationwide to move pseudoephedrine, sold as Sudafed, from over-the-counter (OTC) to behind it, so as to combat its use in making illicit methamphetamine. This move changed the formulas of cough and cold medicines in the U.S.. It also led me and my colleague Leslie Hendeles to prove that pseudoephedrine’s replacement, oral phenylephrine, was ineffective as a decongestant.
We petitioned the Food and Drug Administration (FDA) twice, yet it took the agency more than a decade and a half to act on our findings.
In September, an agency advisory panel finally agreed with our conclusion that this compound did little to quell congestion and recommended that products containing it be pulled from shelves. If FDA acts on this recommendation, oral phenylephrine could be the first OTC drug approved under the agency’s “monograph” process to be discontinued. But in the meantime, millions of people have been trusting the FDA’s OTC regulatory process to ensure that medications work, but instead have been wasting money for nearly two decades on ones that don’t.
It drove me nuts that they marketed phenylephrine as "Sudafed PE." The name Sudafed was derived from the term pseudoephedrine. Once it contains no pseudoephedrine, it becomes pretty misleading to keep that name.
73Capitalism bro pharmacies are selling snake oil now a days and need to be Litigated Heavily
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Specifically that phenylephrine doesn't work, not all oral decongestants.
54Isn't phenylephrine currently all the OTC oral decongestants? I checked my medicine cabinet and all the cold medicine that I have that claims to also be a decongestant uses it.
26It used to be pseudoephedrine but that got restricted/replaced with phenylephrine due to it being a convenient meth precursor.
11Yup, they've been scamming us for years and getting away with it.
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Once pseudoephedrine was moved behind the counter in the 2000s, that left phenylephrine as the only remaining oral decongestant sold on the shelves of pharmacies, grocery stores, convenience stores and other retail outlets. Makers of oral decongestants and cold remedies reformulated their products to contain phenylephrine, sold as Sudafed PE, among others, instead of pseudoephedrine.
17Right, I know. They restricted pseudoephedrine because people were making meth from it and substituted phenylephrine. However pseudoephedrine actually worked, unlike phenylephrine.
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Also specifically when phenylephrine is taken orally, the FDA did not examine its use in nasal sprays which are still considered effective for short term use
https://www.bu.edu/articles/2023/phenylephrine-cold-medicine-decongestant-ineffective/
9Fuck Sudafed PE, but I'll add some irl experience to the science:
Had about 2 weeks of painful congestion that kept me awake all night almost a year ago now (it was so bad my sleeping brain thought I was being choked and would force wake me up) and tried PE because my local pharmacy was totally out of regular Sudafed. It didn't work, shocker. But then they suggested I try the nasal spray with it, and I almost didn't listen to them.
Not gonna say it was some magic drug or that it was even in the same ballpark as actual Sudafed, but it DID make it so I could move around and actually get to the pharmacy further away that had real Sudafed, and that's more than the PE PILLS can say or do
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Just do c/adhd they have all the strongest "medicine"
-18Didn't you hear? Massive shortage on. Most of us can't get our medicine. (And it's not "medicine" jackass. It's the difference between me being "employable, constructive member of society" and a "disaster in human form.")
13You mean a schedule II drug which is only permitted because it has such extreme relief of the condition it treats?
11Sure do.
Sucks that people abuse it or are only using it for "weightloss" but for some people who actually have adhd being off/on those medications is basically like bowling with a bouncy ball vs bowling with a regular bowling ball and the gutter guards up.
Just have to hope you're bowling in the right lane but at least you'll be bowling effectively
2You could always get 'mormon tea' which is high in ephedrine.
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On a related note when they outlawed Sudafed (ephedrine), makers of methamphetamine started using a different manufacturing process that results in meth that is slightly chemically different, and it makes people really crazy, really fast. Meth always caused psychosis (craziness) but the new version that's not made with ephedrine is way worse.
https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2021/11/the-new-meth/620174/
26Sudafed isn't outlawed. It's just behind the counter.
4It's paywalled, does anyone have the article?
4Archive link https://archive.is/0LYes
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Pretty much since 2005, I immediately realized that pseudoephedrine worked way better than whatever they replaced it with, so I went ahead and began signing my life away at the counter to continue getting it and using it. And by worked way better, I mean the replacement didn't do shit.
I don't particularly like announcing to the government in writing that I've got the sniffles, but damnit, it's actual relief from symptoms, so declare my snot balls I do and I'll continue to do so.
22New Zealand banned pseudo, because of meth problems, and my family there won't even use decongestants because it won't work. They still have meth problems, but no relief from illness. The melatonin is prescription only, too, which is weird to me
20Weird... I figured it out by taking some when I was congested and noticing that it didn't work.
13I was gonna write some version of this lol
Yeah it just doesn't seem to have any tangible effect, no better than a placebo.
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For me, phenylephrine actually makes my congestion worse (in the sinuses and in the chest) and leads to longer recovery times. Did you know that some tussins contain phenylephrine? Yeah... I was too miserable the last time I was sick to read the actives list. Paid for it with an added week of recovery. Screw phenylephrine, those who approved it for sale, and those who added it to their meds.
11This is infuriating.
Sure - I noticed that my congestion had done fuck all...but I assumed that if I hadn't taken the BS drug that I would have been even worse! To learn that I could have taken cheap-as-chips aspirin and it had the same effect as the BS tablets for 10x the price has me frothing at the mouth.
Now I need to figure out how I pay 100x the price to get the the tablet that actually fucking works.
2I take Claritin and it absolutely works. Is this not the same thing or am I missing something?
EDIT: for all the idiots downvoting a simple question…
Claritin-D has pseudoephedrine in it. THAT is why I asked my question. If you all want more people posting in lemmy, best not to insult people for asking simple questions like you used to on Reddit.
-8Claritin is an antihistamine, this is about phenylephrine (Sudafed PE) which was used in just about every OTC daytime cold medicine.
5Claritin also makes Claritin-D which is a decongestant that has pseudoephedrine
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I am assuming you are mistaken and you meant Claritin-D, which does have pseudoephedrine so I don't know why everyone is downvoting you... it's also what I've always taken when I was congested and it works wonderfully.
3Thank you for your response. I don’t know why either.
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