Court sees through Ron DeSantis’ lies behind his law banning medical care for trans youth
Court sees through Ron DeSantis’ lies behind his law banning medical care for trans youth
A federal judge says that DeSantis was spreading lies when he called gender-affirming care "mutilation...
A federal judge says that DeSantis was spreading lies when he called gender-affirming care "mutilation."
This year has been all downhill for Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis. His presidential aspirations are going up in smoke thanks to his complete lack of charisma and general campaign incompetence. His losing war against Disney is costing Florida taxpayers millions of dollars. Now a federal court all but called DeSantis a liar for the way he justified his ban on medical care for trans youth.
DeSantis repeatedly claimed that the law was necessary to prevent youth from being “mutilated.” In just one example, he went after one reporter who questioned him about it when he signed the bill last May.
“And when you talk to people and I know, like people in your industry will dress it up with a euphemism, and they’ll say it’s health care to cut off the private parts of a 14 or 15 year old,” DeSantis said. “That is not health care. That is mutilation.”
Tell that to U.S. District Judge Robert Hinkle.
I think it's wrong and bizarre that we cut the private parts of babies just because of a social trend started by a bunch of weirdos. That's why medically unnecessary circumcision before the age of 18 should be regulated.
This is consistent with the tiny minority who view the practice as a covenant with God because you're not allowed to enter into a contract as a minor in the US.
101Tbh, I think that irreversible sex change surgeries shouldn't be allowed until the age of 18 (circumcision included). There's a reason that we don't let children do a lot of things, and that's because their brain isn't developed enough to make informed decisions.
There are a lot of things that I personally thought were a good idea in my teens that I definitely wouldn't in my mid 30s, and I'm sure that's true for most people.
-15This is the lie that is being told. No reputable doctor is doing this. You are right, a teenager can't reliably make those sorts of decisions.
The optimal treatment is a combination. They give drugs that delay puberty, combined with intensive mental health care.
The drugs are because reversing the effects of puberty is hard and invasive. By delaying puberty, they can sidestep a lot of these issues. If the patient decides they were wrong, they can stop the drugs, and puberty will kick in normally.
The mental health care is to help them get a handle on what is actually wrong. It filters out those with other mental health issues, that could be helped better in other ways. It also allows those who want to go through with it to firm up their understanding of what it will entail, and what they need to do prior.
If, after all this, they still want to transition, they can start the process. They are at least now aware of what it will entail, and don't have the baggage of their body lurching in the opposite direction to their mind.
31Okay, can we just take a minute to acknowledge that the ONLY gender affirming surgery legally on the table before you are 16 is for breasts?
It also requires the sign off of a legal guardian and there are a bunch of recommendations in place from therapists about how to make good long term decisions so it's not like minors are making uninformed decisions on their own.
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This, but for religiously motivated circumcision.
41Ron.
You picked the correct description of the portions of the body underground surgery.
They are indeed private parts, and therefore none of your god-damned business.
31I hope they strike down every one of these bigoted garbage laws.
26Get rekt you insecure bitch
20LOL, the hits keep coming. Remember how ronnie was supposed to be the new Great White Hope for the cons?
10He still is. They want him to run in 2028.
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What a small tiny man, with a disproportionately tiny heart.
5He always looks like he just realized he got stung by a bee, and he's allergic.
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His losing war against Disney is costing Florida taxpayers millions of dollars.
How is this "conservative"?
3You have fallen for the grift... "conservative" doesn't refer to money conservation or a cautious disposition towards taking measures. Oftentimes Conservative ideology and politics is neither of those things beong actually more wasteful and sporadic than other political parties ...
At it's core Conservatism believes in a heirachy that requires effort to conserve from the forces which scatter power horizontally. Social welfare programs, debt relief, market protections, union power and democratic elections are all things which upset the "naturally" forming heirachy like one might conserve a nature preserve. That the heirachy they are fighting is actually fairly artificially enforced isn't something you are supposed to think about. Originally they were post revolution pacts conserving the power of the old powers... rich land owners , the lords, monarchists, the industrialists, the capitalists, colonization and imperialist powers... And they still kind of are.
In this instance Disney essentially has power it was granted outside the Conservative veiw of "efficient" heirachy. Disney was fine until they started doing things that conflicted with party directives and exercising their power autonomously. It's not doing what the officers who veiw themselves as rightful weilders of power want them to do so it must be busted to conserve the food chain.
Should Disney have that level of sovereignty? Probably not, but watching snakes try and swallow each other starting at the tail is fun.
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-2I'm not a fan of the guy, but cutting your dick off and that age is mutilation, no? I mean shit, the brain is still developing for another decade yet.
-50I hope you are not being obtuse. No children are having such surgeries. This is a lie that is presented as fact to justify these hateful pieces of legislation. Children typically only socially transition, as in new name, hairstyle, clothes, etc. There is absolutely no mutilation or irreversible changes being made to these kids.
I think this bears repeating: No children are having any sort of gender affirming surgeries. These are lies that are used by hateful people to attack people like me. Please do not believe these lies. Rather, talk to a trans person. Hear their story. We just want to live our lives in peace.
70First off, that doesn’t happen. Ever. (Surgeries do happen at that age, especially mastectomies, but not for cosmetic reasons)
Second of all, where is your outrage for all the boob jobs and other cosmetic surgeries that children under 18 get every year? There are more of those surgeries for teens under 18 than there are for trans people over the age of 18.
42That just doesn't happen.
33You're fantasizing about a strawman. You've never actually spoken to a trans person.
26theyre exaggerating in order to take control of everyone, like the assholes always do.
no bottom surgery or full on hrt is happening to youth, what is meant by affirming care is puberty blockers (completely reversible), and therapy to help youth sort out this in their head. i would kill to not have to go through the wrong puberty, and i wish to protect trans children from having to meet the same fate as me.
and repeating yet again from the other commenter, no, children are not getting bottom surgery. stop falling for their propaganda and listen to the trans people preaching our life experiences on deaf ears
25Stop listening to sycophants to get your information, because it's almost always going to be wrong.
17I'm not a fan of people throwing hurtful incendiary statements into conversations around healthcare, whether it be you or DeSantis.
7The point is that wasn't actually happening to children, they made it up out of thin air as a pretext to attack all healthcare for trans children, and now nationwide are moving on to making healthcare for trans adults (the adult care can include surgery) illegal as well. These laws including Florida's are opposed by the American Academy of Pediatrics, the American Psychological Association, and many other medical organizations. These laws are causing great harm to both children and adults across the country, all based on lies and half truths as an excuse to prevent doctors and patients from making their own healthcare decisions, which seems to be the Republican MO.
1No one is cutting kids’ dicks off. Those are a fantasy made up to get people to hate trans people.
1Your problem is that you start from the presumption that anyone is “cutting dicks off” at that age.
Psychologists have ways to tell if a child is faking their body dysmorphia (ie just sees it “as the cool trend”) - and, news flash; almost literally no one wants to change their body for “trendy” reasons.
So, if they do meet the criteria, they go on hormone blockers. This just delays puberty, and as soon as they stop taking them, puberty picks up where it left off.
So if they later decide this was all a mistake, they have until they’re an adult to make their decision.
Again: no one is mutilating any children. It is a strawman argument dreamed up by culture-war pedaling fascists who want to be able to point at the fake victories they won “for you” so they can get your vote and remain in power and accomplish their real goals like eventually outlawing all trans people, rounding up all immigrants, atheists, etc in their march to turn America into a theocratic white Christian ethnostate.
I mean they’re already quoting Hitler, bro. Wake the fuck up.
1This UK study says otherwise:
https://wng.org/roundups/study-effects-of-puberty-blockers-can-last-a-lifetime-1617220389
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I wish people weren't down voting you for asking a simple question.
It's definitely mutilation if that happened, but doctors aren't allowed to perform those surgeries on minors. So the premise is false, and DeSantis is just trying to stir the pot.
0Knee jerk reactions are something I've come to expect from the Internet these days. I'm not bothered by it, and Internet points don't have value so nothing is lost by it either.
DeSantis seems like a fairly horrible person, but that also doesn't mean everyone should blindly dismiss anything he says, which is why I ask.
I wish I was all knowing, but I keep letting myself down on that front.
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