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Texas doctors do not need to perform emergency abortions, court rules

A federal appeals court on Tuesday ruled that Texas hospitals and doctors are not obligated to perform abortions under a longstanding national emergency-care law, dealing a blow to the White House's strategy to ensure access to the procedure after the Supreme Court overturned the constitutional right to abortion in 2022.

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And they claim that they "don't hate women they just love babies! <3 <3"

I am disgusted, but not surprised.

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- They just hate their political opposition.
  
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  They love everything their media tells them to.
  
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- Love dying babies, dead moms****
  
  Because moms aren't women, they are moms!!!/s
  
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Ok, to get this straight: cops do not need to protect, nor serve, and doctors do not need to save your life. I suppose life guards will get to decide whether or not they will grab a drowning child. Maybe the bathing suit is distasteful? If someone is in the street, I don't have to stop unless I am fully comfortable doing so; I paid for my car and I shouldn't have to risk damaging it by running someone over.

What are regulations even for? God, the government is so useless!

Hard /s

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- The conservative government is useless
  
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  It's not useless, it's actively harmful.
  
  Useless would be not providing funding for public health initiatives around contraception and abortions.
  
  But actively preventing adults from making life changing medical decisions for themselves is worse than useless, it's harmful.
  
  Conservatives have been so committed to "the scariest words are the government saying I'm here to help" that they now aggressively make sure the government hurts people.
  
  The Republican party needs to go the way of the Whigs.
  
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- Just think of what it'll do to all your precious momentum you already built up when you press the brakes!
  
  Relevant: https://youtu.be/N7zFRHel4uw?si=kN2ljHCOmhF8BpSJ
  
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Well that's fucking sickening

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"Some of you may die, but that's a risk I'm willing to take."

Poor women.

But a prime example what failing to codify into law does. The pro choice lawmakers failed all these decades to actually create robust laws protecting women's reproductive choice and health. Then Roe fell and there was nothing to hold back the hordes of Christian zealots waiting in the wings. Their intent was clear as some states even had trigger laws that would enact the moment Roe fell.

You see that now there is a scurry to create several laws that should curtail the president's power, as certain limits existed based on decency, decorum and shame. Now that decency, decorum and shame no longer play a role in politics, only hard and explicit rules help.

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- They never did anything because roe was rock fucking solid!!! Scotus had to literally show how corrupt they were by completely ignoring the 9th and the 14th amendments. They basically completely destroyed 50 years of jurisprudence and literally lied in their Dobbs reasoning.
  
  Stop pretending any fucking law on the books would have stopped these ghouls.
  
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  Except it wasn't law, only jurisprudence. And many law scholars warned about the exact scenario that unfolded.
  
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  They never did anything because roe was rock fucking solid!!!
  
  No, it wasn't. It was always just one bad decision away from crumbling, one that was always imminent because while it might be good policy, it was a bad decision from a legal standpoint. Any decision built on implied rights drawn from the shadows cast by other legal rights is inherently going to be on shaky ground, because determining what exactly those implied rights are is like reading tea leaves.
  
  It doesn't help that a lot of the arguments, positions and implied rights surrounding abortion seem to only apply in that context.
  
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  No, it wasn't. There are plenty of areas in medical care and our personal medical decisions that somehow didn't fall under these amendments.
  
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  It was not solid, which is why Dems kept promising for 50 years to codify it into law. They fucked around and women got screwed.
  
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- Its not that what youre saying is untrue. Its just that there are people actively killing women and youre shifting the blame to another group of people for not stopping them. Its more that a bad thing happened, but also another less bad thing happened. One is an overt attack on women but also some other folks may have been negligent.
  
  DARVO- Deny, Attack, Reverse Victim and Offender
  
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  I reject that way of describing my comment.
  
  The heinous attack was already ongoing, with the trigger laws, rhetoric and actions (protesting abortion clinics is vile).
  
  And the only legal recourse and opposition to these actions (that the US law protects) is by changing these laws.
  
  You can stomp your feet all you want but the mother-killing christian nutbags that planned this scenario knew this, played the game, and won the last battle. Now women are paying the price.
  
  So yes, lawmakers absolutely are to blame for not codifying into law the protection of reproductive choice. That does in no way mean that they are to blame for the vile actions of the pro-mother killing evangelicals, they can carry their own torch.
  
  I want to add that your immediate attack on people that mostly align with your desired outcome will most likely alienate your would be allies instead of getting their help... Or maybe that is your plan.
  
  Edit: and to be clear the victims are the women not the lawmakers.
  
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  I didn't read this as an attack, but criticism. On a state level there should be enough institutions, constitutions and other means to protect this type of laws against vile actors from within.
  
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- Their intent was clear as some states even had trigger laws that would enact the moment Roe fell.
  
  And some, like mine, just never repealed the old law against it. No need to pass a trigger law when the old unenforceable abortion ban that's literally older than the state can suddenly become enforceable.
  
  EDIT: Surprised no one commented on the "literally older than the state" part. I'm in WV, our old abortion ban was carried over when we more or less imported Virginia's criminal code wholesale when we broke off from Virginia to stay with the Union in the Civil War.
  
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- "some of you may die, but it's the will of god."
  
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- Can you, and everyone else, please stop with this ridiculous argument? It honestly might be one of the stupidest things said about abortion, and that's saying something.
  
  First, Republicans weren't passing this, so you need Democratic control of the House, 60 votes in the Senate, and the presidency. So you're down to about 70 days in the past 40 years when this could have happened.
  
  Second, where does Congress get the authority to regulate abortion? Interstate Commerce? How are you circumventing the 10th amendment?
  
  Lastly, why wouldn't SCOTUS strike down this law when they overturned Roe? So they are willing to strike 50 years of judicial precedent, but not an act of Congress?
  
  Your argument doesn't make sense and you're blaming the wrong people.
  
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- This ruling is literally this court overriding a law. It's the first sentence if the summary. "A federal appeals court on Tuesday ruled that Texas hospitals and doctors are not obligated to perform abortions under a longstanding national emergency-care law,"
  
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Death panels are real in TX

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The 5th Circuit: when you need a less legitimate court than SCOTUS.

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- Yeah, the 5th circuit is pretty widely known to be full of crazies. This ruling isn’t a surprise, and it’s exactly what Texas’ leadership wanted when they pushed to take it to federal court.
  
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The Hippocrite’s Oath:

First- allow harm.

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- *hypocrite
  
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  Thanks. Always have a problem with that one. Gonna leave it for continuity.
  
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Is there such a thing as murder by inaction? As in you could have prevented a death by taking action, and you didn't? Sounds like this might be it.

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- Social Murder could be the term, but there may be a more suited one.
  
  Social murder (German: sozialer Mord) is the unnatural death that occurs due to social, political, or economic oppression.
  
  https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_murder
  
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- In Texas it's called Negligent Homicide.
  
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- Yes, very much. Like murder by homeless sweeps destroying life saving medications. But out society accepts that much more than something like a classical murder.
  
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- No because the liability could be limitless and would go on forever.
  
  Oh you didn't stop poor little Jimmy from leaving your home and now he overdosed? Your inaction caused Jimmy's death.
  
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  Negligent homicide?
  
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  Of course this kind of law exist, and no, there's no slippery slope because it's stupid.
  
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A sick part of me is happy that these states are going insane. I can’t wait for a redneck to start crying when his wife dies because his already dead-in-the-womb baby still counts as a baby, and the doctor says, “gosh, that’s an abortion! I can’t do that because of your vote”

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- The problem is that they will never acknowledge that they were the ones that caused them to get to that point. That is why we are here today.
  
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  Some will admit it. When it affects them.
  
  But the number actually affected isn't enough to sway elections. And the rest have zero empathy for others or foresight so won't care unless they are impacted.
  
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  True, they can’t smell their own shit on their knees.
  
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- A lot of people are going to be hurt and killed in the meantime.
  
  I'd have preferred to not see that happen in the first place
  
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  I mean, if they are right-wing… No great loss.
  
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- The redneck will probably just scream Obamacare killed his wife then go vote for Trump even if he isn't on the ballot that year.
  
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  Most likely.
  
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- The people who pass this legislation can afford to covertly leave the state they ruined for a blue one.
  
  Unfortunately there is no sadistic pleasure here except what they feel when women are deprived of their bodily atonomy, pushing them one step closer to property, to be bartered to people with power like them. It's the only way to permanently reverse the trend of men growing up left of center, keeping young misguided boys incels losers forever as opposed to switching belief systems the moment they have to start appealing at all to women.
  
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- That happened hundreds of times with COVID, didn't change a thing. The GOP does not serve constituents, it's the other way around.
  
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- Which will happen to maybe one tenth of one percent of the people voting for this shit and won't make a damn bit of difference.
  
  But I'm glad to see you're happy to show your pointless schadenfreude with the internet.
  
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  You’re welcome. And it’s only a pleasure to watch leopards dining on faces, just so we’re clear.
  
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First, do no some harm.

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I still do not understand how lawmakers are allowed to practice medicine without a doctorate.

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Having just read it, I am extremely disappointed to know that the Hippocratic oath doesn't mention anything about failing to provide care when it's necessary.

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Texas is a garbage state in a shithole of a country.

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Be kind to these people when they come to seek asylum in your state. People can change and learn from their mistakes (in the case that they voted these reps in, they might not even regret it but honey and vinegar right?)

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- 46% of Texans voted for Biden. Before the election, there were (wishful) talks of Texas becoming purple. It's much more blue than Florida, for example. But, the gerrymandering is pretty egregious.
  
  Here's one district that contains black neighborhoods in both San Antonio and Austin, which are about 100 miles apart.
  
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  Just another example of why we need district lines to be assigned by an explicit mathematical process rather than politicians deciding what will best let them retain power.
  
  Least split line is an example of an attempt at that (basically if you have an even number of districts to split into, draw the shortest line across the region that splits the population into an even number of people on each side and put half the districts on each side. If odd, then do almost the same, except instead of an even split, one side gets the extra "share" of people and the extra district to split into. Repeat the process for each piece until you have one district on each side of the line.
  
  For example, if a state has 5 seats, then draw the shortest line that puts 60% of the population on one side and 40% on the other (a 3:2 ratio). Then for the 40% side, draw the shortest line across it that splits the population in half. For the 60% side, you draw the shortest line that produces a 2:1 split, then the shortest line across the 2 side that splits the population evenly. Each district now contains 20% of the population, all drawn without regard to or consideration of political affiliations or identity groups, and all generally pretty compact. Inconvenient if you want to ensure your party's continued power or create "majority minority" districts, but then those aren't the goals (and are actually antithetical to the goal of preventing gerrymandering).
  
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  This is so fucking terrible. How is this democratic.
  
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  Ah I was confused at first I was like you’re describing the solution to that paradox, but then I think your intended meaning clicked
  
  It’s an interesting thought experiment until, like you mentioned, you consider tolerance is only for those who are themselves tolerant.
  
  Either you play in this ball park or you don’t, simple as that
  
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- I disagree. Conservatives cannot "change and learn". If they could, they would not be conservatives. They may temporarily pretend to change when it benefits them. But, that should not be confused with actual change or growth.
  
  Conservatives delight in the misery, oppression and death of others. It is who they are at their core. Be extremely careful dealing with them. They do not value the lives of others the way normal people do.
  
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  This is so insanely short sighted but I guess user name checks out lol
  
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- I hope my blue state builds a fucking wall.
  
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  I am in NM sand Texas is currently building a wall on our border. I am unsure if they are lost, or are trying to keep people from fleeing their state.
  
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evil goes by the name “far right” currently

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- That's not even far right. That's the mainstream right
  
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Do we just take them out back and put them down now?

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- No. We let them suffer painful complications and die slowly.
  
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  Ohh, so less humane. That tracks.
  
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2 of those justices were ones that Schumer fast tracked under Trump so Congress could start their recess on time.

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There are enough loopholes in that law to drive a truck through. They arise out of the basic fact that obviously not every hospital can be a stroke or bypass center. Lack of EMTALA care for complex psychatric cases is a fact of life already.

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we have a conservative anti-abortion Catholic in office

how does this surprise anyone

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- What does Biden have to do with a judgement by a different branch of government?
  
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