New Anti-Consumer MacBook Pros - Teardown And Repair Assessment - Apple Silicon M1/M2

Framework laptops are getting better. Not Apple levels good, but it certainly beats them in average longevity.

The only hope with Apple is having the EU step in again to stop this kind of bullcrap.

another example of why apple laptops are so expensive.

80% of the price is to cover the R&D for fucking over the consumer.

Seriously, tying the goddamn *hall effect sensor to the system so it cant be replaced? Thats some freaking cyberpunk level corpo shitbaggery.

Apple is making really good hardware but we should stop buying it because of what they are doing against repairabality or because of the fact that they trying to capture you in their ecosystem.

I'm going to put this out there as just an idea, don't buy apple products.

They're shit they've always been shit and they've never been financially worth buying.

All of their products are anti consumer and they have been for years. I don't understand why people still buy their products

You'll own nothing and be happy.

So, genuine question.

What other laptops are there with comparable screens? Colour gamut, accuracy and all the good stuff Apple does so well.

Some day I might need something to work with on the go, and I need a good display.

Edit: Well, didn't expect so many answers in as little time, thank you

I just recently had a 2020 gen MacBook pro die on me. When I took it to the genius bar, they said that it was a power issue that they couldn't repair unless they changed the whole logic board which would cost me $500 and without the ability to recover the data on the soldered SSD. What's worse is that they sent me to a 3rd party data recovery company to recover my data for $1200. I ended up declining the data recovery and just accepted that my data is gone and bought a thinkpad to replace the laptop.

They bring a sex doll to their meetings and spend hours trying to figure out the best way to fuck consumers.

Awesome!

Always like people that fight for right to repair!

Anyone know if Louis Rossman and these and other people have done collabs or something similar?

Louis Anthony Rossmann (born November 19, 1988) [2] [3] is an American independent repair technician, YouTuber, and right to repair activist. He is the owner and operator of Rossmann Repair Group in Austin, Texas (formerly New York City ), a computer repair shop established in 2007 which specializes in logic board-level repair of MacBooks.

It's so annoying. I want to love Apple, heck I've been there and HAD Apple everything. They have a great *nix OS, well polished ecosystem, very good security and privacy practices... but hostility towards repair, along with planned obsolescence, ended up turning me off. One aspect is sustainability. Repair is more sustainable than recycle. They have good recycling credentials but that should be last resort.

As someone who generally makes a point to buy laptops with as much upgradeability as possible, I ended up going with an M1 Pro then M2 Max MBP.

I really don't like how much Apple charges for RAM and storage and that I'm stuck with 32GB and 1TB until I buy an entire new laptop, but I just can't ignore how ridiculously powerful and efficient Apple Silicon is for programming, compiling, and even limited gaming.

It also helps that it's made of metal, unlike most PC laptops at similar prices. I've always had terrible luck with plastic bodies: broken hinges, broken traces on the motherboard from excessive flexing, etc.

In my fantasy utopia, Apple would have slots for adding extra storage and "slow" RAM to all its computers, but that's not happening.

yea this is why i couldnt care less about apple silicon. atleast with AMD/Intel and most ARM CPUs/SOCs you have the flexibility to do whatever you want. With AS you are limited to whatever shit Apple provides.

I really dislike Apple's business practices. I remember replacing a screen on a friend's iPhone and the display flex cable would not provide a proper connection without the little metal bracket over the top of it being installed. Honestly thought the replacement display was broken at a point. Never seen such on an android phone.

Considering the serious move EU as made regarding right to repair and imposing that any equipment must be repairable and have parts for it for at least 10 years, this ia going to be another serious pain for this brand.

I've also read an article recently where it was reported that all cell phones circulating in the EU must have replaceable batteries. And from what I took from the article it was meant replaceable by the end user.

Serious anti obsolescence legislation.

This will hurt Apple again.

I'd really like to buy a Mac mini but that mark up on RAM is insane, with that money I can get 8x the same amount of DDR 5

The base config it's too limited and I can't accept to pay 250 euro for 8 extra gigs of RAM and another 250 euro for 250 extra gigs of SSD

Now if they just sold an ITX M2 motherboard with slots for DDR 5, m.2 and PCI express, I could pay 800 euro for that...

Man fuck Apple, how can anyone purchase anything from a company like this.

at this point i dont care about apple products.

Soldered in SSDs

Git gud at smd soldering dingdongs

They really did it again huh

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kinda sucks that no one makes hardware as good as Apple. with other laptops, there's always some sort of compromise. I have a ThinkPad and the keyboard is great, the screen is great, but the speakers are complete dogshit and the trackpad isn't all that good.

Did anyone actually watch the video? Like I’m sure as shit not, but wondering if anyone else did. Guessing no scrolling through the comments.

I have m2 max provided by work. I would never pay for this piece of shit with great battery life.... if only out IT supported Linux, I would switch to framework in no time!

This is why I'm still rocking a 2012 MacBook pro that I've repaired several times

Biggest part of Apple I hate…but at the same time I love how powerful those m processors are.

laughs in my 2009-era Intel MPB

Playing devil advocate here. I owned second hand entry level first-gen MacBook Pro Retina that I bought in 2014. Still using it as my main laptop up until 2021 when I gave it to my nieces. On paper, It doesn't have good repairability so-so specs, everything glued also, but it still working very well, battery still can last more than 4 hours, every apps still run reasonably smooth and dare I said fast.

On the other hand, my spouse bought a brand new ZenBook a year later, it has a bit better repairability, battery and ram are "easily" replaceable, and it have better specs, but the battery dies 3 years ago. Even when the battery still alive, the laptop is very unoptimized causing the fan ran all the time, consuming more electricity, and over time it becomes very sluggish. So now, it's been hiding under closet now since maybe 4 years ago.

So I asked, what the use of repairability if at the end the component break easily. Sure you can replace it, but it just going to create more trash at the end. It's also unoptimized so it use more energy. I take one hardened optimized laptop that can last longer versus one that can be user repairable easily but unoptimized, energy hungry, and easily break component.

I’m happy because they make them unstealable and unresellable. Same for iPhones. A fair trade-off. I could never use any other ecosystem