I modded r/RedditAlternatives, got banned multiple times earlier on for making lemmy migration initatives on Reddit just to be unbanned later thanks to community backlash, now I settle at Lemmy.
I modded r/RedditAlternatives, got banned multiple times earlier on for making lemmy migration initatives on Reddit just to be unbanned later thanks to community backlash, now I settle at Lemmy.
DESCLAIMER: This will be a little bit of a long and maybe even a personal write up, if you do read it all, thank you in advance!
Hello everyone, not sure if anyone remembers much of what happened with my account u/TheArstaInventor on Reddit, In a nutshell, I was the guy who created initiatives like r/lemmymigration and r/kbinmigration, got banned unfairly for a while to be unbanned later after community backlash, I also created guides to help users move to Kbin, Lemmy or the fediverse in general, the one that took off the most was "The Redditor's guide to how Kbin works".
Later I also entered the r/RedditAlternatives mod team, and helped moderate the community further as its popularity grew a ton at the time and a massive increase in posts required a bigger mod team. I also coordinated with other mods at the time at r/ModCoord when the blackout happen and the whole coordination not only made blackout possible but a ton of communities made another home here on the Fediverse.
Although at first, I supported Lemmy massively, I moved to Kbin later instead after learning about some of the concerns surrounding Lemmy's project developers at the time (them being tankies) but then over the months of using Kbin and investing a ton of my time on the project, I came to the harsh reality and conclusion that when it comes to platform maturity and stability, Kbin is years behind thanks to constant errors across the website sometimes, bugs and other instabilities, this also lead me to reconsider supporting and coming back to Lemmy, this time to Lemmy.world.
I also discussed with other people and came to the conclusion that the devs being tankies or their personal idealogies can't and haven't affected the overal project = Lemmy. Sure, there are some instances that cater to their idealogies such as Lemmygrad or even lemmy.ml but thanks to the project being open source and especially part of the fediverse, there are many other general instances, the best one being lemmy.world, that are moderated by entierly different people. The developers of Lemmy, who just help develop the platform, and their personal idealogies, especially on other instances, don't and probably will never matter or be an issue.
There is also a major advantage of open source - keeping the original project in check with the threat of a fork project taking away users from the OG project, this itself will by fundamental design keep Lemmy from questionable changes in the future by Lemmy's own developers. Apart from all this, the developers themselves following this concern released a statement stating their ideologies won't affect the platform itself and even if it does, it is open source and is open to being forked.
This was more than enough for me to jump ship here now, I am personally a little bit exhausted after so much of work I put into Kbin at first, but there are too many issues and is certainly not ready for prime time which has lead me here, I kind of have to start from scratch here but one thing has made be extremely happy.
I don't know if I was a reason for even single person to come here to Lemmy from Reddit, but what happened to my account earlier on showed that Reddit is actually a flaw, a fundamental design flaw that is closed source and centralized, this was the base to all the issues, not just Reddit's recent API changes that surfaced, over the years. I don't know if even that was a reason for atleast a single person to leave Reddit for Lemmy and the fediverse, but I am just happy that a ton of people are now on this site, leaving Reddit for good and I have immense satisfaction that I did atleast 0.1% contribution to it.
I also hope some of my guides and posts inspired and helped people give open source software a real try this time and it seems like a ton of people have settled in the fediverse, really makes me happy that we finally have a self-sustaining community outside Reddit, but not just outside Reddit, but in a FOSS platform.
Putting an end to my long write up above, I want to mention using this opportunity, that I've created c/ModCoord !modcoord@lemmy.world, not exactly the same r/ModCoord from Reddit, in-fact my vision is wider and bigger: A place for all moderators to coordinate, help each other. A place to help new users migrate and ask questions about perhaps moderating a new community created. But most importantly, helping Reddit moderators migrate not only themselves but their reddit communities to Lemmy. Apart from the community on Lemmy itself, I also plan on creating a discord server that will be linked to the c/ModCoord here. Right now there is about nothing there, but I will soon start working on it and you will start seeing a lot of progress moving forward there, so do consider subscribing and supporting our vision and future initatives there - especially if you are a moderator, even better if you are a reddit moderator like me moving here. We also plan on working on a wiki-like post on c/ModCoord with tons of resources to help with community discovery who have already moved from Reddit to lemmy and so on.
Today, I left r/RedditAlternatives Mod team, a great bunch of people who shared my vision but it is clear that those who were really committed to seeing Reddit's downfall left already for alternatives, mainly Lemmy and the Fediverse, so did I, little point in staying there.
As a HUGE car enthusiast, I will be working on bringing car communities to Lemmy personally as well (give me a shout out if you are a car enthusiast!:), especially those I already mod on Reddit.
If you read all that, I really appreciate it and i'm terribly sorry if it was too long but hey, I gave you a desclaimer ๐ ๐
Finally, Let's create the next front page of the internet, even better this time.
Welcome, and keep up the good work. Good to see you here.
Even if you don't like communists. Politics plays a big part in open source for many, and giving power to people and away from corporations. While we were all happy and content on reddit, those guys were grinding away to build something for people. It did not appear over night. To some extent it is what drives and motivates people. I understand you are not communist and don't agree with the philosophy, but it's worth at least respecting that it plays a part in how people operate and is a reason why they self-sacrifice the way they do.
I'm personally a socialist and don't agree with tankies support of certain countries administrations (past and present), but share a similar view of the world in wanting power in the hands of people, not corporations. I think we need to go further to respect other people's views, even if we do not agree with them. Shitting all over them (and the platform) based on their views while supporting the thing they build does feel somewhat disrespectful. It's the same as religion in some ways. You can fundamentally disagree with a religion while conducting yourself in a respectful manner when around those that differ from your views.
Imagine saying "I didn't want to use x because of the creators , but later realised the religious view didn't impose on my own, so I have given it another shot."
I think we need to get to a world where we can be respectful of people having different views even if we do not agree with them and would be quite happy to deconstruct it in debate.
43Itโs one thing to be a communist, itโs an entirely different thing to make excuses for authoritarian communism. Tankies frequently ban and censor things they disagree with even when there are no broken rules which is the main issue I see.
22Who's making excuses?
Do you want to give an example of where the developers banned or censored something? It sounds like you're generalising.
I see you're also posting from lemmy.world, despite the fact they defederated from Hexbear before it even federated. To be critical of censorship while using that instance is ironic. Either you stand against censorship, or you're just using it as an excuse to bash something you dislike. lemm.ee is far from tankie, but approached it in a manner more conducive to what you believe...
5Yeah the problem isn't their belief system, it's the fact that they will brigade people who ask the wrong question or make the wrong assertion. Not in a corrective way, or in a way of trying to convince/persuade, but in a "you're a horrible racist genocidalist scar on humanity and should never have been born" kinda of way. It's very strange.
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First of all, thank you! And yes, I agree with you here and I have indeed come to respect and understand that. It doesn't matter regardless of one's ideologies, we are all humans at the end of the day and I no longer believe that can negatively affect an open source and decentralized platform. I have to admit, I made a mistake with judging Lemmy based on that, as someone who grew in India, Mexico, Canada and now in the USA, I realize I've grown in countries that have been using a democratic system, hence learning about what a "tankie" is (funny I didn't even know what that mean't before) or idealogies that are radically different put me in unease, but now I've learned to respect that and it is clear one's personal ideas such as that can't affect a platform like Lemmy, especially when federation gives us choices in the form of instances.
15There's nothing to respect about authoritarian communism. It's an ideology that advocates literally shooting people for having dissenting opinions. For all the good things in the ideology (and there are many) that completely negates them. It turns it into a parody ideology, a clown ideology that can't ever actually bring the good stuff inside the box to fruition. It's a poison pill.
It's a box full of your favorite snacks but when you open the lid there's nerve gas on the latch. Can't eat the snacks if you're dead.
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Communists are by default and especially the tanky variety, not respectful of people having different views. That's why people don't like them.
1Quite condescending, too.
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Itโs good to have a dedicated user such as yourself on-board. We need more people like you, with the skills, resources, and time, to properly invest into the platform. Welcome ๐ซก
17As a HUGE car enthusiast, I will be working on bringing car communities to Lemmy personally as well (give me a shout out if you are a car enthusiast!:), especially those I already mod on Reddit.
Good luck, Lemmy HATES Cars
15Lemmy HATES Cars
Sure, but also:
Car enthusiasts ๐ค fuckcars
21Do we have a Dragonsfuckingcars yet?
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We also hate cops, yet
5Hey, r/fuckcars is a thing on Reddit too, what we should focus on is bringing all kinds of people, lemmy can have both who love and hate cars just like Reddit, that's the aim haha.
4We really do, but besides than, more niche communities on Lemmy are always good.
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Oh hey! I made the highest rated post on that sub for recommending alternatives a while back. Glad to see people are still having discussions there all things considered, I expected the sub to get nuked after I left Reddit. Welcome home! I should probably go back and update the post with some more modern info then...
11I've been here since that time, and I'm pretty sure your guide to the Fediverse was a huge help in understanding how the Fediverse works. Thank you very much for it.
Politics-wise, I still frankly see some frankly rather alarming takes on here, but that just makes me more committed to building this up to be a better place. I'm certainly glad to see another friend here as well!
10I came to the harsh reality and conclusion that when it comes to platform maturity and stability, Kbin is years behind thanks to constant errors across the website sometimes, bugs and other instabilities, this also lead me to reconsider supporting and coming back to Lemmy
I started running my own personal kbin instance in June and had to face that realization a few months in. I just recently (~2 weeks ago) took it down and started up a lemmy server instead. It's something I should have done months ago because it requires an order of magnitude more resources to run kbin compared to lemmy. I guess it was too appealing to have both mastodon and lemmy in one place, but neither of those things worked well enough to be worth the trouble.
At any rate, your thread on reddit about kbin was one of the reasons I ventured out into the fediverse as well as one of the reasons I chose to run kbin over lemmy. Thanks for the time and effort you put into doing all that!
10Everyone treats the Lemmy devs like they're secretly injecting communist code into the Lemmy infrastructure ๐ unable to comprehend that it's NOT JUST ONE ENTITY that controls Lemmy/the Fediverse.
Don't like communist views but like the platform as a Reddit alternative?
GREAT, FIND AN INSTANCE YOU LIKE
FediTips and Stux were vehemently anti-Lemmy when the migration from Reddit started. Stux came around and started Geddit.Social, but FediTips is still promoting people away from Lemmy due to the devs political views, and treats them like their responsibility for human rights violations and crimes against humanity.
Like, c'mon man, get your head out of your ass10Shame you didn't come to lemm.ee, that's where the real superstar dev/admin is. When the shit had hit the fan, he was front and centre helping other instances out - while his own instance was immune to the bugs/attacks before they even happened.
I would love it if /u/sunaurus@lemm.ee had the time to fork lemmy and make it truly great. Unfortunately he has a day job.
9I was thinking something similar. It's not good that everyone goes to lemmy.world. Keeping the fediverse diverse is important. Shitjustworks is a good instance too that has low blocks.
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Welcome!
8Thank you!
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(them being tankies)
I joined the ml instance, thinking that it would be good to be closer to the devs. Was not prepared for how angry people are over there and migrated to another instance pretty quickly.
7How would you even tell that it was that instance that was the problem since the whole fediverse is interconnected?
8Because you can see where users come from and also which instances host a sub. There might be fifty subs called โPoliticsโ for instance and if youโre viewing all, you might have to be careful when entering a random post. You might need to adjust settings to make that visible to you if itโs not already.
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WELCOME!!!
7Glad to have ya!
6give me a shout out if you are a car enthusiast!
I require a place that goes in depth on malaise era cars.
Edit: Also, not seeing the ModCoord over on kbin.social yet, but it should be at https://kbin.social/m/ModCoord@lemmy.world
Re-edit: I searched it up and subscribed, so it's there now.
6What car communities are even here? I have not looked tbh but thats a good group of people to promote Lemmy too. I grew up around cars as we spent a lot of time on a drag strip working on cars with my dad
5Thereโs !fuckcars@lemmy.world. Does that count? It certainly is carโฆ focused.
7Not sure about a general car enthusiast community, but I know of !weirdwheels@lemmy.world
4Check out !cars@lemmy.world
The mod their is dead inactive and the community is stagnant. I am although in the process of taking it over, hopefully everything works out.
EDIT: Was able to takeover it!
3Same here, there are a few smaller ones around, mostly centered around specific models. I've been a mod of /r/W124 on reddit and I've been thinking about recreating it here on Lemmy, though it's pretty niche even for reddit standards.
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Glad you came in out of the cold. Welcome, have fun!
5I know I migrated to Lemmy when all that stuff was going on. I don't know if I heard about you specifically, but it's likely. I was the only active mod of /CTCD, and they removed me as a mod, claiming I refused to reopen my sub, when my sub was so dead that I forgot to add it to the blackout
Not much Courage content these days.
5I think there's a lot of good that can come from bringing existing, experienced subreddit mod teams to Lemmy. We did it with some of the Star Trek subreddits, I was hoping to see more do the same! It'll be nice to have a place like your community to point people towards.
4Maybe I should start up r/Artisanvideos again.
Ha. Just kidding. Keeping out the spammers and pluggers was absolutely miserable for a decade!
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Many thanks for all you did (and are still passively doing, as your written guides are still being widely used) to help others who were looking for a new place far more worthy of their presence, participation, and genuine interaction than Reddit. May the gifts of your freely given time and efforts find their way back to you again.
3Pointing out that creating alternative communities takes a long time. You may not like it, but it could be necessary to periodically hang out in the subreddit as a transition phase.
3Thank you, that sub was great for teaching me (someone who is not tech savvy) how to use Lemmy!! Now it's my favorite place to scroll ๐
2I also had a huge problem with the developer's ideology. I still do. If and when kbin or mbin is mature enough, I'll move over there and never look back.
Maybe it's just me, but from where I'm standing, tankies are bad news. I wouldn't use software developer by a Nazi or a fascist. Tankies are just authoritarians with a different strongman.
1I understand your perspective and part of me agrees with you but then I have to ask why you are here?
For me itโs because this is clearly the best alternative from a functional perspective, and because there are some great people and communities here who share my values, despite the devs and their crowd.
Also, just because the devs subscribe to a toxic ideology doesnโt mean that the ideology behind Reddit is better. Profit at all costs is also bad news.
3That's a fair point about Reddit. I'm not trying to pretend everything has to be perfect for me to use it. There is no ethical consumption in capitalism. I just find authoritarians deeply unsettling.
I'm here because there's nothing better, but I find this format is the most helpful way for me to engage with news. I've been trying to learn mastodon, but it has yet to really click for me.
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Are you from USA? I feel that many Americans cannot really cope with people with different ideas and views, but always feel safe only in a space that are kind of an echo chamber.
I like to share ideas with other having similar minds, but I am usually intrigued by trying to understand why others think stuff opposite to my views. My own views have broadened a lot over the years, often understanding that reality is much more complex than black and white and even 100 shades of gray are a simplification.
Just to say, I don't give a shut what the Lemmy Devs political views are, I don't need to chat with them, I follow the communities I am interested in and try to contribute back as much as I feel like. I never found lemmygrad much of interest for example, but I miss the flat earth stuff which I was following on reddit (for a good laugh) and I believe Lemmy lacks diversity but not for politics: we are too many tech savvies and THIS is the current limit of Lemmy.
3I guess that in part, the extreme nature of the ideology is what lead them to develop this, so there's a benefit.
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The technology behind Lemmy is great and the architecture is open. The future will tell about financing, growth and moderation. I hope you will enjoy the community as I do, welcome !
1Carefully, he's a hero.
1Glad to have you here. :)
1Iโm really sorry you got banned multiple times as Reddit has become INGSOC (1984) at this point in time and Iโm glad you moved to Lemmy. This site has more high effort and more interesting posts than Reddit at times.
1Disclaimer*
No fucking way am I reading a novel.
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