1 yr. ago • 100%

PSA: Lemmy.ml is not Lemmy

Too many people are confusing the two. Whenever lemmy.ml or its devs do something stupid, people go "Lemmy is getting worse and worse," or "I'm leaving Lemmy," or worse, "I'm leaving for Beehaw."

If you're using Beehaw, then you're using Lemmy. Lemmy is the software these instances run on. If you don't like lemmy.ml, join another instances that have rules that match your philosophy. Some instance hosts authoritarian or fascist shit? Turn to another Lemmy instance. Lemmy.ml is not even the biggest instance. People who just joined and are unfamiliar with the platform will just think the entire Lemmyverse is run by autocratic admins if we don't get our terminology right.

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I like the sh.itjust.works lemmy because of the name.

Also, apparently they're run with 99% renewable energy which is pretty cool.

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- in the past 10 minutes i have had so many mixed emotions towards you.
  
  I have come across your comments about 7 times and each time I either feel like fking you up or giving you a hug.
  
  It's interesting how opinions of different people may differ or align depending on the context. Wars don't really matter if you think about it this way..
  
  I propose a truce
  
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  Fuck war, it's hell on Earth.
  
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  I propose a truce
  
  meanwhile them, probably:
  
  I don’t even know who you are.
  
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  I’ve seen his comments often too. Kind of wild lol
  
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Lemmy feels as a aplha/beta product that we ar all testing right now. Nothing wrong with that, in fact, I like Lemmy more then Reddit. But you cannot expect everyone to love it right now.

For Reddit its clear: you sign up, you search for a community and you subscribe.

Here, you sign up (if you don't get the spinning wheel). You search for a community. Oh, it is on another instance. What is a instance? Then you browse and see different Lemmy websites. You get confused, you heard something about Fediverse but what is it?

Also, there is no karma what important is for many users. Mod tools are extremly limited and all the apps you can use on mobile are in alpha/beta/in development.

There should be a easy to understand welcome page upon sign-up and I think this needs to be prioritized if we want to welcome (more) mainstream users. The post that explains how Lemmy works on c/lemmyworld doesn't cut it.

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- aa
  
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- Karma is important? The only "use" for it is to do what? users farm it so adding karma or something similar would just make this place worse
  
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  it can be used to differentiate troll accounts from people that make generally liked comments
  
  it gives users a rush and encourages participation
  
  it can help with ranking
  
  Now, that said, there are ways to game those things too, but that’s the concept and some of the bigger benefits.
  
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  I'm not a karma whore, otherwise I would not post on Lemmy. But when you post something and you see that people agree with it is nice to see. I do not see the problem with karma.
  
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  User engagement is important, and karma is one way of driving that engagement. Pretending something's not important from your high horse because you don't understand it just makes you look like a spez.
  
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Why, what’s wrong with lemmy.ml? Can someone eli5 me?

My account actually lives there but I also made a lemmy world one.

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- In the lead developer’s GitHub, he sympathizes with Marxism including those that committed atrocities.. He apparently censors lemmy.ml with this in mind. Since it is open source though, I can trust that other instances might be better maintained. There is no way I’ll use any personal information in my signup because this all probably is going to China.
  
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  my signup because this all probably is going to China.
  
  China is sophisticated enough that it can vacuum up all the information it wants about without any involvement of a Lemmy.lm admin.
  
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  Based
  
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  That's the beauty of the fediverse. Don't like the server? Go somewhere else.
  
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  Oh the ml in lemmy.ml is Marxist lenonist. That makes a lot of sense actually
  
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  In the lead developer’s GitHub, he sympathizes with Marxism
  
  Based
  
  There is no way I’ll use any personal information in my signup because this all probably is going to China.
  
  Typical liberalism red scare fearmongering, lemmy has no ties to China.
  
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  Leninist. Marxist Leninist is largely an oxymoron as Lenin just sort of ignored a lot of core things Marx discussed. Specifically going against many of them. There are many different Marxism derived ideologies that aren't ML and don't sympathize or apologize for the atrocities of ML or capitalist regimes. Please don't lump them all together.
  
  As far as Leninist go. I agree with you 💯% though.
  
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- They prevent incoming traffic from kbin. Sp, only leach kbin's contents, but not sharing back.
  
  Some users accused developers as being tankies. Not sure how true this is.
  
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  Oh they're absolutely tankies, dessalines website is crystal clear on that. To me this is simply a test of the fediverse. If it works as intended, the devs political orientation shouldn't matter. We'll see.
  
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  Oh that’s not good. That goes against the spirit of federation. I wonder what their reasons are.
  
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- Well, how do you feel about the Chinese government and the North Korean one? Good? Hopeful they expand? They do.
  
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  Hi friend! I’m not sure how this is possibly related to my question. But thank you anyway.
  
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- OP is annoyed because lemmy.ml devs are left-leaning and don't encourage bombing muslim countries, killing gays or locking black people in areas abandoned by the government.
  
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preach! but i had no idea, thanks 🙃

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Just out of curiosity, what did the devs do that was stupid?

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- The devs hold extreme political views. They are on board with the Tiananmen Square massacre being necessary and shit like that. Like this post says though, there are plenty of instances that are totally run by normal people. Additionally, the Lemmy server code is open source, so that helps to ensure that it isn’t doing anything nefarious behind-the-scenes.
  
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- https://lemmy.ml/post/1167199
  
  More details in the link above, here is the introduction:
  
  "My concern is that users are being banned and content is being removed on lemmy.ml citing a rule that is not publicly stated anywhere that I have seen.
  
  Moderators of lemmy.ml are removing posts and comments which are critical of the Chinese government and are banning their authors."
  
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  So, the dev is another /u/spez.
  
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- Source: https://kbin.social/m/lemmyworld@lemmy.world/t/47012/-/comment/196579
  
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  Here is one of the Lemmy devs denying that the Uyghur genocide in China is happening:
  
  https://old.reddit.com/r/MapPorn/comments/xq49ct/deleted_by_user/iq954mu/
  
  "The Uyghur genocide is as real as white genocide."
  
  Here they are again denying it:
  
  https://old.reddit.com/r/MapPorn/comments/xq49ct/deleted_by_user/iq951cv/
  
  "The holocaust was a genocide that actually happened, with all the evidence that goes along with it. There is no Uyghur genocide."
  
  "Do you believe in anything as soon as the word "genocide" gets attached to it? What about "white genocide"? Are you a white genocide denier?"
  
  And just so nobody can deny that parentis_shotgun is a Lemmy dev: -
  
  “I’m one of the devs of Lemmy” https://i.imgur.com/5kp9BP0.png
  
  Direct links to the posts will not work but still exist on the user’s profile page: https://old.reddit.com/user/parentis_shotgun/ - hold PgDn until comments stop loading then Control+F. In fact feel free to peruse their history in general - it’s quite interesting.
  
  One of my favorite posts is their defense of the government of North Korea in /r/AskTankies: https://old.reddit.com/r/asktankies/comments/tb1836/okay_but_dprk_seriously/i04d1wu/
  
  Now ask yourself why would someone who is not a Red Fascist Tankie piece of shit be answering questions on behalf of Tankies in /r/AskTankies while defending a totalitarian regime? Is it… perhaps because they’re in support of such a regime because they are in fact a Tankie piece of shit?
  
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I actually haven't seen much mention of tankies on any Lemmy except as a joking reference here or there. I'm on lemmy.ml and the signup there said explicitly that it is a free software community. The signup had no particular reference to other politics, though I have no idea what is present in the admins' minds. There is also lemmygrad.ml which is explicitly socialist.

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- If you haven't seen tankies denying genocide and/or saying the victims brought it on themselves, then, I suspect you haven't been looking very far in the comments of the news community there, to be fair. There are a lot of posters who will defend Russia, China, Syria etc all day long. All their crimes are apparently made up by "western media", (as if Jimmy Dore's basement isn't in the west.)
  
  Fortunately, they're getting super buttmad lately at being downvoted so much.
  
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  Are comments that criticize Russia, China, Syria, etc being taken down?
  
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  "leftists" nowadays who defend Russia seem extremely pathetic to me. The only thing Russia has in common with leftism is a general dislike for the activities of the United States. But there are many other groups who opposed the US, such as Nazi Germany, which doesn't necessarily make them your ally. As a Russian-american I can say that a lot of media and discourse on Russia in the west has incredibly poor overall quality, but it's not a CIA psyop, it's a combination of American exceptionalism, genuine issues, and zero cultural awareness.
  
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where am I right now?

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- Lemmy.world. Which is ONE example of a Lemmy instance. Lemmy instances don't even need to have Lemmy in the name.
  
  Lemmy is a system that allows anyone to create what is essentially their own Reddit. Each of those are called instances. Lemmy.world is one of those, Lemmy.ml, is another, Beehaw is a third. Each of those Lemmy instances are run by different people for different reasons. Each of them have their own communities. A community is like a subreddit. The post you commented on ("PSA: Lemmy.ml is not Lemmy") was posted to the "Fediverse" community on Lemmy.world. Lemmy.ml could (and possibly does) have it's own Fediverse community. That would be separately run with separate content to the Lemmy.world Fediverse community.
  
  Where it gets a little confusing, is that users in each of those different instances, can access and participate in the communities in each other's instances. IE, if you set up your own Lemmy instance called TimeLighter.IsCool and created a community called "Timelighter appreciation society" I could potentially join that community using my Lemmy.world account (assuming you allowed it.) I wouldn't need to create an account specifically on the TimeLighter.IsCool Lemmy to access it. If I did though I'd still (in theory) be able to use it to participate in the communities here at Lemmy.world.
  
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- People like this are actually the best ones to have running such a project. For them it's not just a pet-project to pass time, or a small way to show their skills. It's a necessary step for them, to be able to keep their online presence.
  
  You'd be surprised at how effective people can be, when they're doing something out of spite.
  
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  Seriously, if you don't understand the politics of the lemmy devs, you're functionally not understanding the point of lemmy. I think people believe in more socialist ideas than they've been lead to believe, especially with the rampant conflating of "leftists" in media to mix it with liberals as a tactic from the right. Lemmy is inherently political, and that's a GOOD thing.
  
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- I just had a look at Lemmy's GitHub. Of the web interface alone, the second biggest contributor only joined two weeks ago. And there are many others. Those are new developers. So in essence: lemmy.ml admins are some of the software developers and are actually now in the minority, unless I missed something very obvious.
  
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  This might be a stupid question, so forgive me. Who controls what happens to the actual software? Like, if a hundred great ideas get added to the GitHub, who controls which ones make it into the next version of Lemmy?
  
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If you really care that much about "Authoritarians" and "Tankies", maybe you should just move to exploding-heads.

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