1y ago

The ole switcharoo

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For anyone wondering, this is an actual photo of Israeli soldiers posing with a Palestinian female prisoner.
For context, here is a link to a France 24 news article from 2010 that references this same photo
https://www.france24.com/en/20100818-idf-soldier-prisoner-photos-facebook-breaking-the-silence-palestinian-prisoners-israel
- I was hoping they'd mention in the article but they didn't, what the hell is that orange propane tank looking thing with wires sticking out of the top right in front of her?
  
  I'm Iranian, I know those. Many years ago, before gas lines were widespread we bought gas for cooking and heating in those kinds of canisters. You can still find them in use in many places, especially if used with a cooking valve top it is a great portable cooking station for vacations
  
  Container color is typically decided by the manufacturer, but in this case, it is probably medical and is most likely oxygen. Or it’s none of those and it’s just a regular propane tank and they thought it would be cool or something.
  
  Let's say it is an IED
  Does that now make the photo acceptable?
- Good old France 24. Protecting the soldiers right to privacy while representing their government.

Bro got banned for this classic ledddit
- Oof, the confrontation of cognitive dissonance was a little too strong, I guess.
  
  To be fair, they did make a post with an intentionally incorrect title

This is backwards. The vast majority of people, certainly here on the internet, support the Palestinians. Especially young people, even when you are looking outside of the internet.
Meanwhile, almost everybody seems to have forgotten about the plight of the Ukrainians.
- Bitch I'm just tired. What the fuck am I supposed to do?
  
  Generally speaking, be upset when super shitty things happen to people regardless of nationality.
- I don't think support of the Palestinians was that clear even a few weeks ago. At least in relation to current events. Opinions were in a lot of flux
- Eh not sure about that
- I think they're talking about the tankies, who love Russia and think Ukraine had it coming.

Those can't be recent posts on Reddit. Reddit got rid of its award system recently. Not that I don't believe these things happen, I do.
- This is why the "4 days ago" type of timestamp is garbage.
- 2010
  
  2010 is the age of the photo, the post was between the start of the invasion of Ukraine and the removal of awards.

Remember the US government and congress are okay with this organization and send them billions of dollars every year.
- Correction, Biden dont even have to ask congress to sell Israel „emergency” aid.

What do you expect when your army is a bunch of 18 year olds doing national service. Ridiculous really. Also how did Hans get into the IDF, amazing.
- Isn't that most armies?
  
  Grew up in a city in the US with a massive military presence, like a giant frat party constantly going off.
  
  18-year-olds yeah, national service no
  
  National service=mandatory draft
  As for most, I wouldn't think so, and definitely not most of the good (as in competent) militaries.

This image is like 20 years old
- You mean this didn't start on October 7?
  
  Yes, gaza has been terrorist attacking israel for about 70+ years now

D I and a P

People would support the girl regardless. What circumstances could possibly justify that?
🤔 Maybe if she was, in fact, a 35 year old serial rapist disguising herself as a teenager, and those men were the fathers of her victims. But that's a pretty damn far stretch.
Quite frankly, the dishonest bait and switch makes me less sympathetic to his cause, for a just cause doesn't require lies to bolster it up.
- You'd be surprised at how far people go to justify this stuff. Like when idf soldiers shoot children in the west bank, people justify it by blaming the kids for throwing rocks. Racism is a huge part of this.
  
  They should just be honest and say that genocide is in their best interests as a society if that's what they truly believe. Which in and of itself is horrible but at least would be honest.
  I think those soldiers are just rapists exploiting the war to rape without consequence and they'd do it regardless of what side they're fighting on. There are paid mercenaries that do that, you know.

It'd be interesting to know the full story here. Who is she; why have they captured her, etc?
A couple of interesting observations that don't apply when the roles are reversed: she's clothed, has her head on and hasn't been burnt. She appears still to be alive.
- This photo is from 2010.
  Here’s the story.
- I don't get the switch. Either way it doesn't seem right?

I think there's a higher probability that Russian soldiers would rape a female prisoner than there is for IDF soldiers to rape a prisoner. So that factors into people's feeling on this little "switcharoo" exercise.
It's not actually hypocrisy to have awareness of a military's track record in regards to sexually assaulting their prisoners.
There's also a significantly higher probability that Hamas would rape a female prisoner than basically anyone in the world.
But I suppose people who look the other way when their allies call for genocide, look the other way when they intentionally murder over a thousand people, they're probably also going to look the other way about them raping their prisoners too. I guess that's consistent and therefore not "hypocritical."
- Can I see the equation you're using to calculate these probabilities?
  
  I'm afraid you would have to look up his ass, where those probabilities were pulled from.
  
  If you're pretending to be ignorant of the rapes committed by the Russian military and the rapes committed by Hamas, then you're just someone that's only here to push narratives to support some fascist cause.
- How many thousands ~~civilians~~ oops, pardon, "terrorists" did IDF kill until now exactly? Not a single person in their right mind would complain if IDF targeted only terrorists. But at a certain point, when civilian casualties from the retaliation far outweigh the casualties from the initial attack we need to ask ourselves "What is even the point of this?"
  
  When the French Resistance attacked the Nazis during the occuption of France, the Nazis would at times go to a village and kill 10 random people for every German that had been killed.
  Israel has already passed the 20-to-1 ratio and counting. In fact the 10-to-1 ratio is just of the killed Palestinian children to killed Israelis. The previous bunch of Nazis didn't children in those they murdered as reprisal.
  
  Well the terrorists don't wear uniforms, do they?
  Which means that A) we can't know how many of the casualties are terrorists and B) the difficulty in identifying who's a terrorist and who's a civilian leads to greater civilian casualties.
  If the Hamas terrorists all wore uniforms (and maybe put civilians in their underground bunkers instead of their "brave" leaders) there would be far fewer civilian casualties. Did you ever consider the possibility that Hamas actually wants there to be more Palestinian civilian casualties because it makes people like you hate Israel?
  In most countries the military prioritizes protecting their civilian population. Do you really think Hamas is prioritizing protecting the civilian population of Gaza? If the government of a country doesn't prioritize protecting it's civilian population (and may actually want there to be civilian casualties since it helps their cause) shouldn't you expect there to be more civilian causalities than seen in other conflicts?
  How do you react when you see people cosplaying as actual genocidal terrorists at "Free Palestine" protests? Do you ever stop and think "are we the baddies?"
- So what you're saying is that because terrorists did horrible things, IDF committing genocide is a-okay? Because Russians are worse, we should not heavily criticize the Israeli army and government?
  Great points to make!
  
  The war in Gaza is the most documented war in history. What you're seeing is war, not genocide. A war that was started by Hamas.
  In most wars you don't see the death and destruction it causes. The civilian deaths are just a number. Sudan, Yemen, Ukraine, etc. are just numbers to you so don't have the emotional impact that actually seeing it has. But civilian deaths are a byproduct of war.
  And once again Hamas started this war.
  What happened on October 7 was genocide. The attempt to kill as many people as possible of a particular ethnic group.
  There's indication that support for Hamas has increased after October 7 in the Palestinian population. Probably why they did it. Fascist movements need to create hatred to maintain power after all.
  I see you trying hard to "both sides" this, attempting to push a narrative that "Israel is just as bad as Hamas because they do genocide too" but that comes with the admission that Hamas is evil. So why are you allied with the evil genocidal maniacs in Hamas? Is it that when the genocide is against Jews it's acceptable to you?

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