Second most taught foreign language in European secondary schools
Second most taught foreign language in European secondary schools
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Swedish isn't technically foreign language in Finland
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Lol I literally came here to say that.
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This holds for Dutch and French in Belgium either. Though it is a difference, if a language is tought to a native speaker, e.g. Swedish to a Swedish speaking Finn, or as a foreign language, e.g. Swedish to a Finnish speaking Finn.
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I think people are missing that this is the 2nd most taught foreign language, not the 2nd most taught language. So there's the native language, then the most taught foreign language, and then the 2nd most taught foreign language. I'd imagine for quite a few countries that English is the most taught foreign language, particularly ones that heavily rely on tourism.
Edit: just noticed it even says that in the text on the right.
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Yes it’s a Reddit link, but I know consider Reddit as a glorified Imgur. Also it avoids consuming storage on the Lemmy servers.
If someone wants to upload it to catbox.moe or Imgur, feel free to comment with the link, I’ll update it
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It’s Malta. That’s the tiny dot learning Italian - I couldn’t find it at first.
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Danish of all languages being 2nd in Iceland caught me off guard. In Finland Swedish is 2nd because we're a bilingual country, but why on earth would Icelanders go for Danish? Does Icelandic have like a large vowel inventory or something that makes Danish more natural to learn than say Norwegian (Nynorsk maybe?) or even Swedish? Because while grammatically Danish is nothing all that surprising among the Germanic languages here, their pronunciation is something else and their vowel inventory is so large that Danish kids acquire language slower than eg Swedish or Norwegian because the language is a frickin nightmare to learn to listen to
edit: ah I didn't even know they were under Danish rule at one point, so it's the same as we Finns have with Swedish
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I asked in a direct comment but I'll also put here: should Sweddish really be considered a foreign language in Finland? It's a state ofiicial language ( as you know being a Finn)
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Depends on how you view it, I guess. Officially we are a bilingual country and everybody speaks both Finnish and Swedish, but practically since the Fenno-Swedish minority is only about 6% of the population and they're highly concentrated in specific areas, the vast majority of Finns don't speak Swedish all that well if at all. Sure, we all have mandatory "other national language" classes all the way up to university level, but if you rarely use the language outside some tests, it might as well be a foreign language. Been 20 years since my last Swedish class, and I need a dictionary to read anything but the simplest Swedish text and speaking it would be painful to say the least.
So, officially it's not a foreign language, but practically it might as well be
edit: here's how Finnish, Swedish and Sámi are distributed when looking at the official languages of municipalities https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swedish-speaking_population_of_Finland#/media/File:Languages_of_Finnish_municipalities_(2016).svg
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Should Sweddish really be considered a foreign language in Finland? It's a state official language.
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I’m confused by Belgium. Are they saying that English and Dutch are equally popular, or that the north half learns English while the south half learns Dutch, or is the shading like a percentage?
Also lol, nobody wants to learn Italian …
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The area shaded for English is the area where most people already speak Dutch as their first language anyway, so maybe that's why it's not counted as a "foreign" language there. Although I'd think that Åland wouldn't be coloured for Swedish if that was being applied consistently
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If dutch counts for the southern half shouldn’t the north be colored french then?
Also i am pretty sure Belgium has a german speaking section with German being a third National language. There is a section that looks colored yellow for german… but like i think the original op was confused what “foreign” means or Belgium was just to complicated to get right.
Edit: that spot is Luxembourg, the Belgian germans arent represented.
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The Flemings (northern part of Belgium) are speaking Dutch, the Walloons (southern part) are speaking French.
The Fleming are learning French first, because even though the Walloon are a minority and not as developed economically its important for the unity of the country to make effort to understand each other. They are learning English in second.
The Walloon don't care about the Fleming, learning dutch for them is not a priority. They are learning a bit of English and only few very motivated Walloon are learning Dutch
I love Walloon, they are probably the friendliest people I've ever met but the love/hate with the Fleming is interesting.
A funny experience is to take a train from Liege to Brussels. Liege is is Wallonia so announcement are only in French. Then we pass through Leuven in the Flanders so now all announcement are only in Dutch even though we are still the same train. Finally we arrive in Brussels so announcement are made in 2 language.
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There's Italian in the map legend, yet it isn't used? Or is it on the map somewhere I didn't see?
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Malta is Italian colored
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Ohhhhh, I see now, thank you so much!
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I would have assumed it was English in most places to be honest just based on the fluency in countries I've been to. I'm not sure why English isn't considered a foreign language in Ireland also. It might be an official language but it is still foreign.
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That's a map for the second foreign language taught, English is probably the first one for every one of thosr
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Glad I read the small print note BEFORE I posted my original comment!!
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I enjoyed the fact that Netherlands, belgium and Luxemburg created the german flag on the map
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Netherlands is in blue, think you're looking at Flanders & Wallonia (both part of Belgium)
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