lemmy.world blocked the largest piracy community in all of lemmy

This is a well reasoned answer. If this were my instance I would also ban communities linking to pirated software. A single lawsuit and lawyer bill for a regular guy, and that can fuck your life up all because you tried to run a decent community. I have a username I use for browsing lemmynsfw, I'll make one for browsing piracy related things too.

I’m confused, Are they actually hosting anything illegal?

Why would Hollywood come after them? It is not like people are sharing movies there. Posts there are etremely mild.

For me, it looks like people are mad at the US defaultism of the decision.

I understand why. It makes for part of the users no sense as they are protected by the law. It looks like a US "shitshow". Countries are protecting the IP of the person, making it nearly impossible to pursue someone. Others have law allowing the use and the copy of copyrighted material for educational purposes. Some allow the download of copyrighted material.

It's the same with GDPR. Meta must comply. There is no exception because US defaultism.

And we can understand this point of view too. It's not binary as the US people think it is. It's more mixed depending of the country.

Generally, outside of this drama, on the internet, people are reclaiming they right and don't want the US "example" anymore. They want the internet following their local laws like the GDPR for Europeans. They have the right to claim it. Thanks to GDPR, mandatory usb-c, battery replacement and others laws in Europe and outside, the consciences of are awakened that the US is not the model to follow in terms of law on the internet and technologies.

lemmy.world is hosted in Finland hence they don't probably live in us

The entitlement is ridiculous, especially when you can easily switch to another instance and the "problem" is solved. If this was a corporate site, that would be impossible to do.

But obviously that's too much work and it's easier to just be a crybaby.

I agree, very sad to see the comments in here. the instance owners don't really have much choice in this matter considering there's no easy tools right now on Lemmy to deal with legal issues and they'd likely end up having to shut down completely if they did nothing

This really isn’t all that different from old school forums and the way they were run. Have people forgotten what those were like? That’s one of the biggest reasons I like the direction of Lemmy to begin with. The owner of the site can’t assume those risks, they’re not a corporation.

Completely agree. This is definitely a smart move for lemmy.world in order to protect themselves. With that being said, switch instances if you want to see those communities. Do not fault a person, who already provides a free service, for trying to protect themselves.

I feel this is the fatal flaw of the lemmyverse. Before I heard about lemmy I was building my own similar system where you would subscribe to servers/instances specifically, without any cross instance caching. That way you will only see what you want to see, and if an instance gets overloaded they have to scale up, but won't bring down your whole browsing in the meantime. It would be up to the client apps to aggregate all your instances/feeds to show you a list to doomscroll through, but you would have one account (activity pub compatible) to subscribe to them all with. If there were private, invite only communities for piracy then it wouldn't legally jeopardize the rest of them either. I keep chipping away at it. One day I'll publish is.

That's a fair point. Anybody know of any servers hosted in countries where all this stuff is legal? I wouldn't mind registering on the servers where my illicit interests are legal.

No one forces you to. What you do is called fear-mongering and catastrophizing. There are dozens of lawyers vigilling day and night and ready to pounce as someone uploads child porn in your instance lol.

Not a surprise though, someone with passion for computers is an anxiety-ridden thingy

Maybe you shouldn’t even have had your account on the largest server to begin with?

Maybe I didn't have my crystal ball nearby when I was creating my Lemmy account.

Maybe many users will have an account on the largest server, because by definition it's the largest server, with the most users. 🙄

Maybe you shouldn’t even have had your account on the largest server to begin with?

Some of us made our accounts on lemmy.world within a week(?) of its creation when it was tiny (June 5 for me). Doesn't stop it from belonging on mildly infuriating

It wasn’t the largest when some of us joined…

Is there an automated way to move my account and all content to another instance?

What a snarky thing to say

Maybe you shouldn't even have had your account on the largest server to begin with?

To give credit where it's due, when the big Reddit migration happened many instances could not handle the influx of migrating users. Some people might have only had .world as an option.

Situation still sucks tho. Hope upcoming Lemmy updates make moving accounts between instances easier.

It was the only server that was accepting when I joined. I still have applications at a few, but never got approved. Signed up on startrek.website yesterday. I was motivated by the ddos more than any thing else.

You are completely right, but account migration also needs to become available for situations like this.

I made my account here while waiting for the instance I actually wanted to come online

A strength and a weakness. The strength, as you say, is being able to move to a different instance. However, the weakness is that Lemmy (the software) requires each instance to keep a copy of every federated post for its users to interact with. This means they have to host (and be legally liable for) data that they can't police beyond blocking the community / instance.

I went with lemmy world so i could catch the widest net in content. And up till now i agreed with the reasoning of the other defederating.s But it seems like it won’t take much to provoke more restrictions. Guess i will have to lurk in other shores.

This is basically what I did not that long ago.

Situations like these are the strength of the fediverse. Move your account to an instance that shares your values or doesn't care about stuff like this.

its not a bug, its a feature! the faceless admins get to tell you watch content you can get now, not a faceless corporations! its so good that all the instances are starting a war with each other over the content they host because it means we have the choice of who gets to decide what content we like to see!.

Yeah. It objectively makes little sense that you can google/bing for pirated media and not from other indexes but companies like Google and Microsoft are basically untouchable. I think LW admins have little choice. If you look at the dude who shared Nintendo ROMs you can see that the court was out to set an example and left the services that made people find those ROMs completely alone.

I think people greatly underestimate the expense of legal disputes, in terms of money, time and energy required. When you're going up against industry legal professionals who are backed by large companies with government influence, it's an unfair battle from the start.

I can't blame anyone for giving the possibility a wide berth, and it speaks to the need of more fediverse instances in places with better legal protections. There's a good reason why some services are based in the Caribbean - it's protection from the litigious easily fucking with your entire life with scattershot automated subpoenas.

Remember that lemmy.world has to keep a copy of whatever content appears in a federated community on their servers, making them legally liable for the content. At least they just blocked the community instead of defederating.

I mean if you support illegally hosted material you can be forced to take down your website. As much as it sucks, piracy is illegal. Anyways, they haven't defederated, just blocked that community.

Only here because of my instance.

I just don't like the idea of having 500 accounts after it's all said and done, especially if most of them wind up being unused... unless I'm fundamentally doing something wrong by creating a new account on every instance I want to use?

I feel a little better about it if lemmy provided migration tools.

It certainly not the end of the world but it is kind of a pain in the ass.

Reddit has plenty of piracy communities, being more strict than reddit is is just unnecessary

I love it. We will win in the end, against the corpos, they shall rule in Hell whilst we serve in Heaven

Thank you for your work!

No need to stop using LW. I’ve got three accounts on different instances plus kbin. Oh, and I fifth on if you count my nsfw login. Partitioning your online life is nbd, really. And the fediverse makes it easy.

but only if you know enough about the fediverse to be aware; if i had no logged into like i usually don't do on these days, i would never know and spend the rest of my time on lemmy.world trying to figure out why i can't find any pirating stuff to share.

Is there an automated way to move my account and all content to another instance?

No, it won't. Only those little bits.

Because that's how the fediverse works.

You should like... not be so quick to call people ignorant. Especially when you're displaying a lot of ignorance as to how this entire setup works.

the reddit admins ruined reddit, lets move to lemmy so the lemmy admins can ruin lemmy.

I've gotta hop as well; I'm trying to find the biggest/most mainstream instance that hasn't blocked or defederated from the piracy communities. Will have to check this list and find one when I get a chance.

The instance wasn't defederated. Just the community blocked.

they are volunteers paying from their own wallets to keep this going. You aren't entitled to anything on the fediverse. grow up.

I don't think you understand what "defeding" means.

Reddit 2.0

Edit: I saw I got lot of downvotes and I realize my mistake: This is not Reddit 2.0 because not even reddit was stupid enough to block their r/piracy.

Unless those communities were sharing links to pirated content. If it was just talk about piracy and piracy news then I don't think that's a good reason to defederate.

No need. Users can go to other instances and continue accessing it from there just fine.

Yeah, but we are not expected to deal with this kind of shit too soon and out of nowhere.