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1y ago

Seems we've already got the plot for Barbie II

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Greta did get a nomination, just not for director.
Margot didn't, but America did.
Ryan Gosling was the best part of Barbie, partly because of the writing which, again, WAS nominated.
This is not "the patriarchy;" it was a really strong year for those two categories.
- but America did
  What does this mean?
  
  America Ferrera is an actress in the movie.
- You have to put 2 spaces after each line to force the next sentence into a new line.

Greta is the snub, Margot did a good job but nothing stellar. Ryan Gosling stole every scene he was in.
Edit: and the meme actually ignores that the plot is actually gender neutral. It applies to everyone, not just Barbie.
- I think there were a couple bits about women in particular
  
  Barbies don't have bits though
  
  nah get outta here
- It was Ken's movie and Barbie was only starring in it.
  
  He showed us all we're Kenough.
- Margot did a good job but nothing stellar
  I kinda thought the writers made her character meh on purpose to show young girls that while stereotypical Barbie is a cool toy, she's not really someone they should aspire to be

Men getting credit for women's accomplishments is the plot of barbie? I thought it was about how expectations and rules for gender identity and roles hurts everyone. That then expands on how women specifically feel a unique pressure to be an impossible ideal of everything all at once.
- No, the plot is barbie not getting an oscar nomination while Ken did
- Why not both?

What actresses got nominated? You realize it might be possible there were better actresses from other movies?
And maybe Ryan was a lot better than most other actors.
- Strong performances this year:
  Nominees:
  Annette Bening - Nyad
  Lily Gladstone - Killers of the Flower Moon
  Sandra Hüller - Anatomy of a Fall
  Carey Mulligan - Maestro
  Emma Stone - Poor Things
  
  It's like people making the complaint forgot that there were other movies with women in them.
  
  Need to see Anatomy and Maestro but Emma deserves that shit

Honestly, it doesn't make sense for any of them to get a nom. The film was good, it was enjoyable, but it wasn't an Oscar film. It wasn't Gerwig's best work and it wasn't Robbie's best performance. Despite Gosling being one of the best parts of the movie, the pickings for best supporting must have been slim for that to get him a nom for that role.

This is kind of stupid tbh. Margot and Greta are NOT competing against Ryan. They're competing against other females. This is because of this thing called "categories".
Ryan getting nominated has NOTHING to do with this. It's not like Ryan got nominated but they didn't because he took their place.
This is happening because of the absolute flood of female centric characters and movies that came out recently. There's too much competition. And much to the "feminists" dismay, Barbie is actually mid compared to the other movies and actresses.
- There was 1 female director nominated.
  
  Ok. Which directors do you think were snubbed?
  
  What percentage of directors are female?
  
  It feels like you're saying there should be more. I have no idea who's been nominated, nor do I know most of the films that came out last year, so I'm out of the loop and would like to know if you have any female director movies you'd recommend in place of who's been nominated.

Honestly the Lead Actress Category was stacked this year. Emma Stone played a very similar role but was far more complex. Why are people also forgetting that America Ferrera was also nominated ? Best Director is also a smaller pool than Best Picture where it was nominated. It looks bad on optics but if people actually watched all the movies they would know that each of the actresses nominated deserved it . It’s not like they gave the nomination to a man lol
- Gerwig also still got a nomination for the screenplay, so it’s not like she was completely snubbed
- I’m definitely annoyed by the lack of praise for America. She was brilliant in the role and personified the movie. Margo played the means to tell the story, but America was the story. Don’t get me wrong, Margo was amazing and deserved a nomination too, but so did America who seems to be forgotten in the whole mess of the movie for some reason. She had the single most impactful scene in the movie with her monologue about how hard it is to be a woman.
  
  I just can't get over Americas role in superstore. I can't not think whoa Amy has gotten herself into some wild shit this time.

As someone that never saw the movie. All the clips, gifs and memes people make about it are the Ken scenes. Nobody talks about barbie presumably because her character and performance were good, but just kinda safe, middle of the road stuff.
- I saw a few memes from her but her acting wasn't middle of the road by any means. She had to do the more dramatic parts and Ryan did almost all the comedy. And we all know comedy does give more material for memeing.
  Also I noticed her memes were showing in my wife's feed so I assume there's some echo chamber effect going on.
  
  Hot take: none of the performances in the movie are deserving of an Oscar.
  
  Very good point I didn't consider
- Yes.
- Can you repeat the question?
- Maybe
- No
- I don't know
- You're not the boss of me, now
- Maybe you just hang out on male spaces and men generally find Ken jokes funnier?

Sigh.
Still "Esteemed Academy Award nominated character actress Margot Robbie" for now.
- Also, appreciate the sentiment from the picture, but still annoyed people can't get my name right.
  At least it's not "Margo with a T" this time.
  
  Margeaux
  
  Mary Robby
- You and Rhea Pearlman, just hanging out at the Oscars...
- I believe in you!
- It's such a shame about their eyesight.

Love cinema, don't care about Oscars in the slightest.

I’m surprised that Margot Robbie gag account on lemmy hasn’t rung in on this post. Or are they back to obsessing about android phones again? WAKE UP, BOT!
- What do you mean gag account that's actually her.
  
  ummm....source?
  
  I crave pasta all of a sudden
- You do realize that the strike's been over for a few months and I have work I need to get done now, right?
  
  An esteemed Academy Award nominated character actress? Work? Impossble! They are special, they dont work! /s
- Haven't seen them anywhere in a long while.
  
  Nah I saw them just the other day, they're around.
- Maybe they are just too sad to comment yet 😭
  
  It's just weird people here expected me to joke about this.

Why is he claiming that Gerwig got no nomination? Is he stupid?
- Best Picture goes to the person as a Producer, not a Director.
  So, yeah, if it wins, she'll be on stage for producing the film, but not directing it.
  
  She's also nominated for best screenplay and Barbie really doesn't deserve an Oscar for the directing anyways

The Oscars have ALWAYS been bullshit. The best films of a given year rarely get nominated let alone win. Barbie made a boatload of money and Gerwig will be able to make at least a few risky projects based on its success. I wish we would all collectively ignore the Oscars because the academy contributes so little to the art of film
- Yup, very often the "winner" is determined because it's their "turn" or they deserve it more so than what they did that actual year. Leonardo Di Capero (SP?) for a great example.
  
  I also propose Jaime Lee Curtis last year, definitely felt more like a lifetime achievement oscar than that particular role
  
  Not always, remember how they snobbed Chadwick Boseman?
  
  I think the thousands of people in the Academy who vote on these movies probably beg to differ with your assessment of how the awards get handed out.

- Kind of a weird thing for him to say imo. It’s not like they got snubbed, this year was just really stacked, and the other nominations being filled with other incredibly talented women shows that. Be happy for them, don’t put a damper on their achievements because you’re upset that your co-star didn’t get nominated.
  Obviously I get that he can’t help how he feels, but making this whole statement just feels like an odd choice.
  
  I don't follow your logic.
  He's saying that without the leading actors of the film being who they are - simply, the extremely talented people they they are - he wouldn't have had a movie in which to act (the Barbie movie) to shine and gain the honor of being nominated.
  More to the point, him being nominated when they are not, is, in and of itself, ironic; on several levels.
  His entire sentiment here is that they should have had recognition for their roles in a very culturally relevant film, in which they did really great work. They commanded the screen in a way that few can. The entire thing pivots around the leading characters.
  Honestly, I couldn't give two fucks about how stacked the year was. If you examine mentions of films in news, social media, and other sources where people discuss movies, the Barbie movie would be mentioned a lot more than pretty much any other. And yet, the headlining character, played by an amazingly talented young woman, didn't get nominated?
  Bluntly, I'm surprised his comments were this restrained. If I was in his shoes I would have told them to take their nomination and shove it. It clearly doesn't mean anything if they won't even give a nomination to Margot. Her performance was picture perfect as far as I'm concerned.

I mean I always knew that Oscars were mostly about hype and not actual artistic value but getting offended that the most hyped movie of the year didn't get all the nominations is just weird. Mattel run multi-million, non traditional marketing campaign and got a lot of people exited about the movie. It doesn't say anything about the acting or directing in it.

Barbie was good. But my expectations going into it were greatly inflated by all the hype around it... Which sadly left me disappointed by it.
- It happens to all these movies. Nice when you stumble across an unheard of underground film, but then the flip happens: "HOW DOES NOBODY KNOW ABOUT THIS??"

What about America Ferrera? She matters as much as Margot Robbie and got an Oscar nomination for her role in the film.
- This, its not a snub. Barbie got a nomination for both actor and actress in the supporting categories.

I wanna take you for granted, yeah, yeah well I wiiiillll
- I would love it if you would sing that song for 3 more hours

Maybe he's a better actor.
- Silence!

The acting was the worst part of the Barbie movie. Don't get me wrong, I enjoyed watching it in the theater, but no one should be surprised that Margot Robbie didn't catch the nomination when she was up against actual films with real performances in it. The acting in Barbie is just memeable moments for the internet. Mind you, Barbie being nominated for Production Design and Original Song make perfect sense and it'll probably win those categories.
- For me the plot was total crap. Like they just wanted men to be retards at any cost. It felt pretty sexist for a movie about equality.
  It was also filled with bullshit, like the Mattel board being only male. Same for the supreme court.
  It's insane that they also focused on white American women... The most privileged type of woman in the world. Real shit is happening in the middle east, not in New York.
  I don't know, it was such a wasted opportunity to actually make a point... They were just too focused trying to make the perfect white woman into a victim and all the males into absolute retards.
  
  “white women swung their Gucci boot over the fence of oppression and stuck themselves at the front of the line”

gosling shouldn't have gotten it either

Not surprised Robbie didn't get a Best Actress nomination, but I really felt Gerwig was a shoo-in for Best Director. Gerwig can still walk away with Best Picture and/or Best Adapted Screenplay though, so it doesn’t feel like a total snub.

A woman goes out to discover herself and the world, in a movie so colorful, I constantly smiled in my seat. A man on her side that struggles with his masculinity. A parental figure that is only there for the lead to discover how far she came. A family to be part of in the end.
Poor things makes Barbies pink pale. In every aspect. Emma Stone stands without competition this year.
- Emma Stone is probably the favorite to win Best Actress.

Pleaae dont post pictures of text. Link to it. Transcribe it. Its necessary for blind folks
- Sorry, I haven’t quite figured out how to set alt text on images when posting from my phone quite yet — the website is easy because the entry box allows markdown, but my mobile client doesn’t seem to have a box for it? I’m working on figuring it out. But my understanding is that, with good alt text, pictures of text are fine for blind folks?
  
  Just write it in the body
  
  What is your mobile client?

Honestly Barbie just wasn't a good movie and it really shouldn't have gotten any nominations
It was over hyped and it was trash marketing for Matel.
And if you guys watched the movie it literally ended with Ryan gosling learning absolutely no lessons and just being like oh ok I can act like a dick and I'll still get what I want?
Killers of the flower moon was far far better than both Oppenheimer and Barbie. Honestly don't think Oppenheimer should have received so many nominations either.

I haven't seen it. Were those actresses really good in that film?
- Greta was the director and reason the film was made as it is, I feel like she deserves the nomination.
  I've seen people arguing Robbie should have gotten a nomination but I feel like "best actor" is such a crowded award that people get snubbed all the time.
  
  I agree. If anyone of the three of them- Gosling, Robbie and Gerwig deserves an Oscar, it's Greta Gerwig. And women do not win enough Oscars outside of gendered categories anyway.
  
  Was it well directed though? Subjective. I personally don't see much in the way of a directorial effort that's worth a golden statue, but it's competently put together. Her being the primary creative force behind the movie isn't criterion in which I would nominate anyone for Best Director.

I was really dissapointed to see no Mojo Dojo Casa in shops this last Christmas. It would have been a killer.

With all of is controversy with the Barbie movie and nominations next year we might see an expansion of the pool of nominations
Smaller how TDK changed how the best picture nomination was awarded but we could do the same thing for actor and actress nominations. After 2008 a lot of people felt that the dark night was snub for best picture, so the academy changed the number of nominations that could be awarded for best picture. Originally only five movies could be nominated for best picture but after 2008 the minimum number of best picture nominees was 10. a few years later 10 was too much so they changed it to minimum 5 and maximum of 10 nominations. I think that's a good compromise because some years have very good performances while other years have mediocre, but you can definitely find five performances that outshined everyone else and having a maximum of 10 nominations limits the number of people that can be nominated.
I personally think we should remove the gendered nominations for acting actresses and instead separate them by age. Same way how the Grammys removed gender nominations, but instead for the academy. If you separate them by age, it makes more sense. Most older actors and actresses can't play roles that are for younger actors and actresses and vice versa for young artists. It is also more inclusive for trans and non-binary artists. It also evens the playing field a little bit because generally speaking older performers have more experience so it's harder for younger performers to be nominated.
- personally think we should remove the gendered nominations for acting actresses
  No this would be a bad idea. Then any time a man won (or got nominated like Ryan here), people will be like "omg patriarchy". Look at what's happening now. They're not even nominated in the same category, and people are bitching. It's gonna be so much worse if this is implemented. Men can't get nominated at all.
- Great thoughts and proposals. Thank your for the history, insight, and forethought!

Greta did get nominated though…

Just cause you make a movie about women doesn't mean you should get an Oscar. There were better directors and acted movies out there (in the opinion of the voters). That's why it didn't make the cut.
I personally didn't even like the movie and definitely don't think it deserves an award for best directing or acting.

Maybe if it had a better plot in the first place, it would have attracted more awards. This movie will be forgotten in a decade or less.

Jesus fucking christ these comments.
- I sorted by both hot and top and at the time they seemed pretty okay, but idk.
  
  Ya gotta dive into the trenches of the bottom comments to see the truly wild

Oh no! Some rich people didn't get nominated for some awards.

Okay but to be fair those ladies had to pretend to be regular ladies. You know, like a real person. Just be a person.
Ryan Gosling had to be a 2 dimensional character with undying love and loyalty (well, not undying), which seems slightly harder to pull off convincingly.

Movie is made. Women is good but meh. Man is excellent.
"Hey that guy was excellent"
Omg that's so sexist! If you wasn't sexist you would automatically say that the women is better than the man.
- In case you're in any doubt, people are downvoting you for your atrocious framing, obvious victim complex, and general cuntiness. The fact that most of your posts are whining about whateverthefuck woke means is just confirmation that the worms have eaten your brain.
  
  Gosling maybe deserved a nomination. Robbie didn't. In an equality world all is well.
  Yet some people, the orignal post, have an issue with that weirdly. I see no reason why I should change my opinion.
  I actually thought Barbie was fairly egalitarian and not about men doing something better and getting recognition for it. Also the oscars are separated by sex anyway so the post doesn't make any sense. Robbie got bested by other women.
- I'm just echoing the other comment. The worms have eat your brain.

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