Microsoft sneaks ads into the new Outlook for Windows

Of course they have. MS are putting ads everywhere in Windows. The revenue potential is huge and they have more than enough private information on everyone to do targeted ads.

Microsoft would be insane not to go down this route. It's inevitable.

We need more devices for sale that don't use Windows, because this won't stop. Microsoft is a publicly traded company and their stakeholders demand infinite growth.

The only way to get away from this is to use some kind of FOSS operating system

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The Grand Nagus advocating for free and open source software... there must be a novel rule of acquisition I have not heard about yet!

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- Rule of acquisition number 1,337: Embrace, Extend, Extinguish.
  
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- Sounds pretty on-brand for Rom
  
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- It's in the revised "wormhole aliens" edition .
  
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- Rule 69420: You shall sell the product, not be it.
  
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Someone there wants to go back to 20+ years ago when your friends mom's Internet Explorer windows included 75 different toolbars and there was only a little bit of browser space left. The hayday of "Buddy Bar" is returning for your Edge, Outlook, and Taskbar. Next will be explorer and Excel. The future is looking bright.

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- Also, Bonzai Buddy.
  
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- It wasn't official right from MS then. Some stupid people even behaved as if MS were the good guys (who'd also never do something like this).
  
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The only way to get away from this is to use some kind of FOSS operating system

Been doing this for like 10 years now. It was easy to see the future of windows when windows 8 and 10 started sending user data to their cloud. Next step is always serving ads.

And people pay for Windows too. :)

It's not too late to switch to Linux but you are very late if you haven't done it.

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- You can turn off Microsoft's ads, browser nagging, and data faucet, but as long as you are dependent on them for Windows Updates, that gives them an opportunity to undo your fixes and turn them back on.
  
  FOSS has a similar problem in which the program author can sell out to a less-friendly entity, and when you update the software it starts misbehaving (see Audacity, Simple Mobile Tools, etc.)
  
  This is why I use Debian stable branch. Disadvantages: outdated software (but still get security updates) Advantages: outdated software (but still get security updates) 😅
  
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The bane of the public company. Once you get big enough that you're no longer able to sustain 20% yoy growth your investors will force you to leave no stone unturned.

They've already put in telemetry

Next they'll put in ads

Then they'll sell subscriptions to get rid of the ads

Then the subscription will become the minimum viable product

Then they'll put ads back in

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- Then they get Premium subscriptions
  
  Then they put ads in there and release the Ultimate subscriptions
  
  etc etc
  
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The problem is the alternative is Google who is already worse. Linux is needed but until mass consumers reject ads it will never go mainstream.

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- but until mass consumers reject ads it will never go mainstream
  
  Cory Doctorow said that half of all Internet users use adblockers (dunno where he got that statistic but I tend to trust that man)
  
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i feel like i'm not actually against ads. i'm against the abuse of ads, that take away from the user experience..

i won't mind seeing an ad if it doesnt get in the way of what i need to do on the pc. i don't need an ad popping up when im trying to work on something, launch an application, download a file, etc. an ad in the corner, big enough for me to be aware of it, but obscure enough to not interrupt me will serve its purpose.

problem is, ad exposure is non-regulated and i can't believe how the constant ad spamming doesn't seem to phase a lot of people.

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- I don't think there should be any ads in a paid OS.
  
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Thunderbird is a great alternative to Outlook.

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And when they figure out how to serve ads on IMAP, you can take thunderbird to another provider.

I don't think it'll actually come to that, due to popularity, but I can see them blocking IMAP access on new accounts due to 'security'.

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- Exchange was always the EEE to standard mail/calendar protocols. They have a path towards that.
  
  They’ve already moved Active Directory to the cloud, they’re normalizing “Microsoft owns your accounts, even business ones”. All the content on Teams lives on Azure, and I believe SharePoint is doing the same.
  
  Microsoft is EEEing the Fortune 500.
  
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- Swiscom Bluewin already has connection problems on SMTP now and then.
  
  Context: Swisscom is the biggest telecom provider in Switzerland. If you are customer of them, you get a free e-mail address on their ad-ridden and cumbersome Bluewin. They do provide you (somewhat hidden in support documents) their IMAP/SMTP addresses. I'm on a paid provider now, but my dad isn't and has about a hundred friends and accounts, for professional use too.
  
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As is Mailspring

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Really? I've heard it kinda sucks these days. I used to use it years back though and am a big Firefox supporter.

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- I've used Thunderbird for years, and still do. I love it.
  
  IMAP, 30GB account, contacts and calendar synced with our Nextcloud server. Can search for a term and receive a list of emails going back years instantly.
  
  I can open Thunderbird, search for an email from 2016, and be replying to it faster than my wife's identical PC can even finish loading the Outlook splash screen (may contain traces of hyperbole).
  
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- No. A year or two ago they did a big redesign and added a lot of functionality. Of course, whenever you have changes to a software there will be some stuffy old dudes crying about it. So everywhere you look there are people who are upset because the interface is different from what they were used to even though it is way more modern and much more useful, and better for users - especially new users.
  
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- I have only used it briefly but it seems decent at first glance. On par with any other major client (MacOS mail, outlook etc)
  
  Though I tend to only read email on my phone, these days. That's why I haven't used it much.
  
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- I recently switched to it from Outlook and while it lacks some of the features of Outlook, it’s not a bad replacement.
  
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- It has been working great for me for years. I do turn off automatic updates because occasionally they release a buggy version, but it gets fixed.
  
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- the recent changes to thunderbird are welcome improvements. you should give it another shot.
  
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Email spam is already bad enough I don't need that shit built in

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Hi @SomeAmateur@sh.itjust.works, we are sorry to hear you are not satisfied with our ad service. We always strive to bring you the best user experience on the web and in your Windows Operating System. We want to offer you a 10% discount on your next purchase for a 24 month Office365-VPN Home Suite: [STAYSAVE10]. We hope you like us more now. Thank you for reading this ad.

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A couple of weeks ago I tried Outlook 365 when Windows Mail made me mad for the 1000th time because it has issues to actually send the E-Mails from one of my accounts…

Anyway, outlook started and of course just added my Microsoft Account ignoring all other accounts that could’ve been imported from Windows mail. There was a new mail so I clicked it. Although Firefox is my default browser, edge opened and there was a website. It took me multiple seconds to realize that Microsoft just baited me to click an ad and earn a couple of cents.

I got so angry that I installed thunderbird. If I compare it with older releases from a couple of years ago it did get a whole lot better. I’m very happy.

Windows gave me so many reasons in the last months that I also ditched it completely. Running Linux Mint now and just like thunderbird it is so much more refined if I compare it with the past…

Paying money for crappy subscription based software like office (need it for work) and still getting ads was definitely the no 1 reason to switch.

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The windows mail was a really nice UI, thunderbird doesn't look nice to me.

Outlook sucks though

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Nice, now you have to pay for giving your data to Microsoft, lol. Who would do that?!

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Just a few hundred million people, I guess.

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- One must consider all who use outlook for business, there is no ads and I believe the say even no tracking. 🤷🏻‍♀️ so yea, I use outlook as well, but not because I want and not with ducking ads.
  
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No one is paying for it. It's a free app.

This isn't Outlook from the paid Office suit. This is the shitty free "Mail" app that has been renamed to also be called Outlook because Microsoft sucks at naming things.

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- You pay for Windows.
  
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- Outlook itself is aka Hotmail, Windows Live Mail, MSN mail, and so on and so forth.
  
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Vermont can outlaw billboards across the state, but when it comes to everything digital, it seems like nothing's safe. We cannot even check out email on a dedicated email client application without being subjected to ads, both in the form of spam emails, marketing lists, and now even ads from the program itself.

IMO the government should be stepping in to regulate where ads can be placed, just like Vermont did with billboards.

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I'll just leave this here: https://www.thunderbird.net/

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- Damn, this looks WAY better than when I used Thunderbird in 2020. Gonna have to give it another try on my work laptop since I use Outlook there.
  
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So protonmail is pretty cool.

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Made the switch last year from Gmail and I love it. I set up a custom domain and a catch all address as well, so I can give out whateveriwant@mydomain.com as an email and it gets to me. Particularly nice for finding out who's sharing my information, as well as picking out phishing emails. Banking coming in from amazon@mydomain.com? Immediate red flag.

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- Forgot about the catchall, but the realPart+fakegarbgae@myDomain.com trick works great for filtering stuff.
  
  E: on protonMail, that is.
  
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I do not understand why anyone would use Outlook when thunderbird is free and, in my experience, much more functional.

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Prior to this new version of Outlook, Outlook was much more functional than Thunderbird and it wasn’t close. That being said while a year ago I’d say you were smoking dope, as of right now you are correct, new Outlook sucks.

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- Ah, I have only used both a relatively small amount, and from my experience I think thunderbird is more functional, flawed though my perspective may be. In what ways has outlook been more functional, from your perspective?
  
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I pay for a plugin so I can use Thunderbird with the exchange server (and 2FA) my office has. Best purchase in a long time, I think it's like a dollar a month or something, pretty cheap.

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- What do you like about thunderbird?
  
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Does thunderbird still look and feel like it was designed in 1998?

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- Maybe not 1998 but it definitely has a particular look. I like it though, it's utilitarian.
  
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Yeah this was an immediate no from me on my home PC that I run windows on so I went and downloaded Thunderbird and have been happy ever since.

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Why was that the red line for you, given all the other shit that's already in Windows?

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- Well no. It was the red like for outlook though. I already used Thunderbird on my Kubuntu setup. Outlook was fine before the top email became an add. It was also easy to integrate with my work email.
  
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The moment I saw them trying to do this, I switched to Thunderbird.

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You were using it before? Why?

Edit: yeah, fuck me for asking a simple question

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- The biggest reason i think. Is because it is used in most buisnesses. So it is easy to use the same email client at home for most folk.
  
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- Because I had been using MSN (which became Outlook) since 2001 and didn't really have a reason to switch.
  
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The article only seems to mention free consumer accounts, if I didn't accidentally skip a section. Does anyone know how this will affect M365 subscribers (both consumer/enterprise)? I use Outlook every day at work and the lack of features in the web app make it basically unusable for me.

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the standalone office application called 'outlook' is still existing.. (for now, and until microsoft comes up with a way to fk that up too)

some moron at microsoft just decided it would be a good idea to dilute the strength of the outlook name by using it on webmail and the new (cr)app version in windows.

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- It's already on the way, the office app "outlook" has a "new outlook" mode, which is this same web based version that only talks to Microsoft servers, so even if you use a non Microsoft email account, Microsoft takes your credentials,syncs your email to their server and then shows it to you through the web outlook.
  
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This is basically "dog bites man" territory at this point.

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This was always the case in the web version of Outlook, and the mobile client. If you subscribe to 365, ads are removed.

I noticed this last year when I moved away from 365 and started getting ads on the Outlook mobile client. I ended up binning it off and just used the default Mail app on iOS, which is a shame because the Outlook app on phones is actually superb. Not good enough to put up with ads though.

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In app ads are removed, but what about the tracking and then showing you ads on other sites and services is that also removed when you pay? I can say that uBlock still killed hundreds of trackers on my paid outlook premium account.

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Donate to Mozilla Thunderbird. Free software isn't free.

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At least running Pihole eliminates these ads, same for the Android outlook app.

The constant shitty changes that I have to combat are enough to make me explore other options, however. I don't want to have to fight against the software I use.

I'll give Thunderbird another go (used it years past and bounced off), and failing that maybe I'll pick emClient back up (used to use it for managing multiple Google work accounts).

My difficulty is that I use a Microsoft hosted email, and integration with third party applications for contacts & calendar has always been an issue. Maybe it's time to move those to my Nextcloud instance?

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After a while after you switch to Linux, the Microsoft headlines start getting funny instead of infuriating. 😂

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I saw these adds ages ago when they first let me try it out. Immediately reverted. Ill stop using it once it stops working.

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Also saw ads when it was in beta. Switched to Thunderbird that same day. When support for Windows 10 dies I'll be switching to Linux on my desktop. Ads are stinky

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There's a School of Rock musical!? Awesome. Gotta look into tickets.

Engaged 2019 apparently. Oh well.

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Oh! Horror show.

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I have to use Office 365 for work so there's no alternative but I think these ads are just for the non-enterprise version? I use Thunderbird for private use but tbf, I send like 2 emails a month at most. Are there many people that use outlook daily for private use?

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I saw an add just last week asking me to install Outlook on my phone. I use Outlook for work too, so I just dismissed it.

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