None of you will convince me that this wasn't foreshadowing
None of you will convince me that this wasn't foreshadowing
Discovery had it's moments.
From a Star Trek universe perspective it hit way too many lows, though. This is just my opinion, of course. I found it hard to sit through some episodes. The actors are generally great, but there is too much cheap dialogue (listen to some of the Season 2 and 3 "Picard" dialogue in comparison!), underdeveloped characters, statements like the above that were written without even considering how they might age... well, this was discussed ad nauseam in many places, so I'll stop the rant before it starts.
Thank you Discovery for showing us what doesn't work. Other shows learned from you.
27I'm slightly talking out of my ass but I remember a while back that Elon was basically buying up a bunch of mentions and cameos in popular shows. This was one and the other that springs to mind is his appearance in rick and morty. Cringe and poor taste? Absolutely. But this blunder may not have been 100% on the writers
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So I'd completely wiped this from my memory ... but Elon Musk is Star Trek canon now?
Like even if Musk doesn't do anything justifying him being remembered by Starfleet ... in the Star Trek timeline ... he did??
20SpaceX pretty much kept US Spaceflight alive between the time of the Space Shuttle, and... whatever comes out next. Tesla corporation has proven to the rest of the car manufacturers, and other startups, that the way of the future is not via burning fossil fuels.
Elon showed the world what a shitheel he was after that.
So, I'm pretty sure that this dialogue was written before Elon became the obvious shitheel that he is now. And, as many point out, mirror universe Elon Musk might've been even more instrumental to their world, than ours.
24It was really disappointing and cringy. I thought the show came out after the Thailand cave incident where he said people who were helping rescue trapped children were only in the country because they were pedophiles, but I just looked up the dates and the first season of Discovery came out a year before that incident. I waited a while to get Paramount+ because I didn't want yet another streaming service on top of Netflix and Hulu.
The Musk references aged very quickly. It's not great to name off living people as future historic figures when they are still alive and able to wreck their legacies.
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This is a bit of a spoiler, but the guy who mentions Musk is actually from the evil mirror universe. So the second guy from the mainline universe is confused as to why Musk is on that list. He was probably a bigger figure in the mirror universe.
12Eh. There are a bunch of other references to him even after Lorca returns to his universe. For example Tilly was on musk high school iirc.
I don’t think I was ever more ashamed and disappointed of trek than when they whipped out those lines, billionaire worship in a show about a socialist utopia. A fucking embarrassment
29Ummm ... you're maybe underestimating Lorca here. His mission was to fit in and he was clearly capable and motivated to do so. He most likely would not have made references that weren't accurate for his new mirror universe. Just a little bit of reading and cultural awareness would have enabled this.
Plus, I don't recall what the actual reaction to this was, but if it was anything other than confusion, the reference made sense in-universe.
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Keep in mind that in the Star Trek canon, Joe Piscopo is regarded as the greatest comedian of the 20th century. It's already an extremely weird alt timeline.
9Also on Discovery, Tilly mentioned attending Musk Junior High School, so yeah, apparently. Both of these mentions would have been before he bought Twitter, I’m not sure if the writers would be so quick to name drop him today.
2Which is the problem with name dropping someone from the present.
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Woah which show is this?
10Star trek discovery.
21Second picture is not actual dialogue though - but in light of what happens later it just might have been.
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The Wright brothers were patent trolls and Cochrane was a drunken slob who stole all the credit from his assistant. Also don't forget records from the early 21st century are spotty, so they might not actually have a good picture of what an incompetent boob little Lonnie is.
8Just a bunch of Edison's trying to act like they're Tesla's.
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This pleases me so.
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5The Good Place shits on Musky a few times too
5Well... Devil advocate here. He believes he can get a crew to Mars in 2029 so if it happen it will be an historical event.
IF it happen...
Probably not.
2Has he ever met an initial timeline? I mean it literally. Has it literally ever happened on a major Elon Musk-affiliated project?
21His craft will implode. But seriously he isn't going to Mars, he was always all talk and acting like he's Tony Stark, when in reality it was always other people doing the inventing, while he was being a rich kid jackass
7Man, imagine imploding in a vacuum. Now THATS a fuckup
9it was always other people doing the inventing
True about all products. And yet, people write books about Steve Jobs and talk about all those company founders that developed nothing themselves except the very first version. Management is a crucial part of success.
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He can get them there. Just not back.
2He can’t anything except pay for it, let’s not diminish the achievements of the actual talented people working on those projects.
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To be fair Elon/SpaceX revolutionized apace travel, even if you ignore Starship.
Doesn't really change that he is a dick, but Wernher von Braun also was a Nazi.
-5It kinda annoys me to see people say "Elon revolutionized electric cars and space travel"
No. No he didn't.
Tesla took full advantage of economies of scale. If you mass produce an item, you can sell it for cheaper and still make a profit. Elon did not create Tesla, he bought it. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Tesla,_Inc. So it's fair to argue that Tesla's idea was likely not Elon's idea. He just bankrolled it
SpaceX created a reusable rocket. However that's not the first time they were created, https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reusable_launch_vehicle#:~:text=In the 1960s and 1970s,were reduced to prototype testing. So spaceX took an idea that had been proven as a proof of concept, productized it and... Took advantage of economies of scale, again.
Elon isn't a genius. He just has enough money and the right people who manage him to successfully pull off other people's ideas and take advantage of economies of scale.
Ps: to be faiiiiiir
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