Mozilla asks people to sign petition to stop France from forcing browsers to censor websites
Mozilla asks people to sign petition to stop France from forcing browsers to censor websites
The French government is considering a law that would require web browsers – like Mozilla's Firefox – to block websites chosen by the government.
cross-posted from: https://gehirneimer.de/m/privacy@lemmy.ml/t/57607
The French government is considering a law that would require web browsers – like Mozilla's Firefox – to block websites chosen by the government.
What happened to telling governments to go fuck themselves? I remember when it was on the governments to police their citizens and if software violated their laws it was on the government to stop citizens accessing it. Why can they just not comply?
60I mean obviously we can do both right? We can both fight stupid laws so they never get passed in the first place and then refuse to comply with them if they do.
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so in the download section of firefox website, there will be notice: "not recommended for use in france"
problem solved 🤣
46for-profit places will do that. i hardly expect mozilla to abandon the people of an entire country. though i'm sure they'll make sure everyone knows what VPNs and Tor are if it comes to it.
18i hardly expect mozilla to abandon the people of an entire country
that's not what i meant. i meant that the notice will be only thing that happens to formally comply with the law and everyone will be able to download the firefox "on their own responsibility"
like when eu banned the classic lightbulbs, there was a discussion in my country because some idiots felt that "the dictatorship of eu is upon them again"
now these lightbulbs are being sold with the notice "for industrial use only, unsuitable for use in personal homes". every normal person buys led-bulbs and few thousand idiots are happy thinking how they showed them! 😆
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Add your name to our petition to help stop this part of the bill from becoming law.
Where can I find the text of the petition that they will be submitting to the French government? How do I know what I am signing if they don't actually display the petition text?
33Browser based blocking seems very out of touch and anything short of GFW as in China won't be very effective at actually achieving any blocking. Also enforcement client side will be impossible to control.
So not only is the law bad, but it will only make life more difficult for legitimate persons and organizations building browsers.
26Wondering if mozzilla can get around this by enabling some start up arg to disable it lol
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Honestly I am mildly curious about this, but I am feeling a little too drunk and lazy at this point in my day to look it up and the linked article was not helpful. Can someone eli5 what has the French government so salty? Thanks in advance, -Cas
13I posted baguette hate on this site
5It's about censorship and control of the internet. The French government is looking for another way to block things, beyond ISPs.
2I forgot to say this at the time, but thanks for the response. You helped me to understand the issue.
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Signed. As a French, absolutely not surprised
9Idk does France government knows that they can block addresses on ISP level but anyway, I'm not France government.
7On ISP level? Only with DNS blocking. Which is pointless since you can simply change the DNS server to some non-ISP one. That's probably why they want to force this stupidity onto browsers. Which is even more stupid and pointless.
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What about curl and wget? Telnet?
5- Like a lot of lawmakers they have no concept of how the internet works. They think it's like regulating cars (i.e. of course this handful of browser manufacturers will obey the law, so passing the law will control the behavior of the browsers).
- They may think that even a ham-fisted law that doesn't match reality will give them some ability to control what non-tech-savvy citizens are able to see, and there may be some validity to that (although much less than they'd probably hope).
- I don't think this is France's government right now, but certain governments can get a lot of mileage out of laws that are obviously impossible. In Russia, it's illegal to criticize the war, which is obviously impossible to enforce -- and yet, there are a bunch of people in prison, because they criticized the war and the government decided to single them out to be punished. It can be a ridiculous and impossible law; they're still in prison.
23offtopic: on your 3. it's also illegal to "discredit the Russian armed forces", for which even "patriots" and Putinists get fined.
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Just block all of france.
I think the internet will actually appreciate that
5□ I’m okay with Mozilla handling my info as explained in this Privacy Notice.
the privacy notice doesn't relate to the poll, is as fuzzy as it can be and doesn't even come close to mentioning there is mandatory e-mail field (not talking about explaining how it is handled). i am afraid that checkbox is not going to be checked from me.
3there is a section in the privacy policy explanations specifically dedicated to campaigns and petitions. i'm confused why it would need to mention any specifics like that they ask for an email address when their definition of personal information is defined as information they ask you for. it says they'll only use it for things you give them permission to use it for. is the privacy policy great to read? no. is it a little confusing being broken up into parts to make it "easy" to read? a little bit. the point is, they're not going to use the email address for anything else. and honestly, who doesn't have email aliases if you're protecting your email address so much that even Mozilla is a red flag? how did you even sign up for lemm.ee when it has almost regulations for your information ("we only share it with third parties that help us and that we like their privacy policy")? Mozilla does the same.
7it says they’ll only use it for things you give them permission to use it for
no, it doesn't. it only makes very vague claim that can really mean anything.
how did you even sign up for lemm.ee when it has almost regulations for your information (“we only share it with third parties that help us and that we like their privacy policy”)? Mozilla does the same.
i expect better job from company of the size of mozilla, than i expect from lemm.ee, as i somehow expect them having few more layers ;)
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Ehh not comfortable giving my personal details to sign a petition.
3Just another example of why WEI is a bad idea
1where is the petition to bring weave back and remove pocket?
-1I agree about pocket, but... I thought Weave was just renamed/rebranded to Sync.
1well weave was 1 effin thing you needed to install and can selfhost. 10 years later nobody hosts it self. because moz made it like shit. again. you'll need a ton of installations for fxa and syncing and where to store bookmarks. just crap. the worst are the people at moz because their decisions render the word open and community a joke. remember the way they forced all plugin devs to follow their new implementation? well, that is exactly the behavior these moz morons complain about themselves when chrome adds drm or whatever shit alphabet comes up with.
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Ironic, how Mozilla themselves wanted to 'amplify factual voices'.
-2Brave shill/chrome shill or both?
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