Is threads bad? Yes. But Elon being knocked down a peg or two is worth it.
Is threads bad? Yes. But Elon being knocked down a peg or two is worth it.
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I don't know how I feel about that. They both deserve to be treated like cartel criminals. NOTHING LESS.
You gotta realize criminals and street life is the same as the mainstream. Please trust me.
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Agreed. Rationalizing one as being the 'lesser evil' is basically just shifting the Overton window. Both are evil. Both deserve to lose. If they can make each other lose that would be ideal but if only one wins, we all still lose.
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It’s odd to me people think Elon is more evil anyway. He’s definitely louder and stupider but way less responsible for tearing apart the fabric of our society. And some of his projects have been a net positive.
They should both lose to death but if we’re gonna make the comparison, Zuckbot is hands down more evil.
That being said, it will still be hilarious if zucc beats the shit out of Elongated Muskrat.
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You gotta realize criminals and street life is the same as the mainstream. Please trust me.
lmfao
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Fuck Elmo but I just don't want Meta to replace Twitter's social media niche. I would prefer if Mastodon would be the next "Twitter" but at this point I would be okay with Bluesky too. The Meta cancer is already big enough and has too much influence.
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I'd rather have a moderated site replace Twitter at this point, even if it's run by Meta. My first choice is for an intuitive non-Meta alternative to rise to prominence, ideally in the fediverse, but I think Mastodon had its chance and its unintuitive nature was too challenging for a critical mass of lay people. It needs to be: sign up, start posting. Instead it's: sign up, choose your server. Huh? You're already losing people.
All this has already been covered but it has to be simple and intuitive and that's what Threads is offering and Mastodon isn't.
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Exactly this. Anything too challenging for a third-, grader is done before it starts in terms of mass acceptance.
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I think everyone in the ActivityPub hopes Mastodon is the next Twitter but other than that, it's a tie between the all three. I think Bluesky has the best chance since it has the cleanest plate but it'll absolute turn into a shit hole like the rest.
Cohost would be cool.
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yeah people are giving too much power to a single company.
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Would you happen to have an invite code?
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Yeah and one for a friend too?
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This sentiment is so fucking wrong. Please, for god's sake, please understand that Zuckerberg is NOT the lesser of two evils here. Meta facilitated a genocide by artificially promoting hateful content to boost engagement, quietly and without obvious consent performed behavior experiments on its users, and so much fucking more that the two aforementioned points barely even scratch the surface.
You people are trading being punched in the face with being beaten senselessly with a baseball bat.
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Add cambridge analytica as well, it used to be all over the news but now everyone already forgot about it
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Don't you know, that was Facebook, this is Meta which is a completely different company that didn't do these things /s
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It's definitely not worth it. Zuckerberg is the bigger fish here, at least within the social media domain. Meta's threads replacing Twitter would make them even more powerful than they already are. I don't like Elon, and it's crazy that he somehow managed to make Twitter even worse than it was, but we really don't need Meta to grow even larger.
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Yeah exactly. Once the Zucc also reaches out for Tumblr, the last bastion of "Ugh, we don't want Corpos here", we're done. We need to stop both Eloy and Zucc even before that. The Fediverse needs to fight an active war, we're already living the Cyberpunk Dystopia.
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Yeah, if we were still talking about the cage match of be fine watching that weird meat puppet beat musk up, but for social media I think we loose either way.
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No, the correct answer is "fuck both of them". You don't need Twitter, you definitely don't need Threads.
You don't even need Mastodon for that matter. You don't need a constant drip feed of dopamine. If you need to stay informed, you can just use news sites or something.
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We need discourse. News sites are largely owned by rich men and corporations.
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There are enough independent journalist networks out there, but they only inform, there is usually little to no capability for discourse, so yeah
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hmm, that's a fair point. I have heard things about independent journalists making use of platforms like Twitter and Tiktok. I wonder if independent journalists have begun to adopt Mastodon as well, or just decentralized social networks in general, to share their news.
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There are situations where lesser evil is the best available choice, but this isn't one of them.
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Yeah, exactly. Literally a "false dichotomy" moment.
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Yeah, exactly. Literally a "false dichotomy" moment.
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But… my dopamine.. But serious, I think lemmy or in the before time reddit is already filling most of my media need already, it amazes me that people can use social media that much and don't burn out.
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I want them both to lose. Twitter dying would be in some ways, a victory for the people. But giving zucky more control over people's lives is a horrible idea, especially when you take into account meta's past. But we don't have much say in what happens there, so we gotta learn to fight back.
Threads is banned in Europe which will probably leave a lot of people sad, if you ask me that's the perfect opportunity to advertise mastodon and other fediverse projects to your friends, family, etc. Talk about it on bigger platforms if you still have an account on them, engage with posts and videos about the fediverse and how to use it so we can get them into the algorithm. Every little bit helps, we can do this.
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I want them both to lose.
I read this one sentence and immediately imagined a Celebrity Deathmatch type scenario where Mark and Elon and beating the shit out of each other, but in the end Jeff Bezos shows up and just drops like Scrooge McDuck's entire vault on the other two billionaires and claims the victory.
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Please put warnings for spoilers
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Trading one asshole billionaire for another is a losing game. The only losers are users of these services.
It's like two giant Mecha robots fighting while a crowd of fans of one or the other are cheering on the ground and being squished.
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ngl, i'd rather twitter wins since it's imploding already so it will hardly survive for much time after it beats threads down
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Yeah there's nobody taking the Zucc down a peg. Dudes a literal machine.
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Why not both? Can’t we hope enough stuff leaves twitter to hasten it’s demise and that threads implodes after a short period of over inflated reports of success?
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So here's what we do: we let Threads kill Twitter. Then, when Twitter is dead, we kill Threads.
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'we' = 500k people or so
'them'= 2 fucking billion people
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In the fight against one evil should we really join another evil to do that
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No, but the satisfaction of Elon throwing a huge tantrum outweighs Zuckerberg making a successful app, for me
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Lesser of two evils has never gotten us anything but evil.
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Greater of two evils also doesn't seem very successful.
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No. Meta needs to die.
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still don't want zucc to win, tho
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The worst part is that they will ppv the fight and split the earnings. I personally don't give a shit about this fight but know a ton of people will pay to watch these two fuckwads fight
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Elon is fine in comparison; he's far less of a problem than Meta is.
The platform at this point may as well already be doomed because of people like you.
Really - it's like I'm reading the posts of Reddit manchildren who will forever retain their virginity because they're incapable of understanding how things actually get done.
I guess you can't expect much these days.
What's going to happen next? Meta dominates the platform, you and the rest of your kind "protest", then you fuck off somewhere else and pretend you "won", while sucking each other off only for a repeat to happen sometime later?
Are you going to wear your fedoras?
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I loathe both Musk simps and Zuck simps equally.
A pox on all of your houses.
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A pox on all of your houses.
I simp for neither - try again
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True, but if we slowly move to foss alternatives like lemmy, peertube, mastodon and more(bonus points for self-hostability and federation across instances), it will be for the long term good, undoing the harm social media has done for decades. It will be like the forums and usenet era all over again
I look at threads as a net positive right now but I don't trust it. I see only upsides and no downsides. In a free as in free beer market, this is either a loss leader, scam, or a tactic to get normies hooked and then cut off ties with the ActivityPub.
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I really don't get the recent Elon hate. He has always done some shitty things, like labour issues and I have always called that on.
But free speech is a good ideal and it just screams of sjw controlling the narrative. That's not a good thing, the hate is unjustified lately.
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You don't need either of them and if you feel that you need this kind of site then mastadon will work fine until you figure out that you don't
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mastodon is too silent :(
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That's probably a good thing. You don't need to be stimulated constantly with crappy memes and the worst political takes you have ever seen. Smaller platforms usually lead to more meaningful interactions with other users.
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I think the funniest part of this whole thing is how Musk insists Meta MUST have poached employees from Twitter, as if Twitter has this revolutionary sauce that just can't be replicated at all.
Bluesky is even closer to Twitter's UI than Threads and I don't see Musk bitching about it at all.
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The enemy of my enemy is my enemy's enemy. No more. No less.
There's a lot of wisdom in that.
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Why use either?
Theres mastodon as a twitter replacement.. lol
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I‘d enjoy it if they both lose money/attention and more of it went to the devs and admins of all these instances I like. Unlikely, but I can dream.
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but why use threads when you could use mastodon? When threads enters the fediverse it is like the ad free version of threads (from a threads user perspective)
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As someone who never liked Facebook...not a particular fan if Zucker wins.
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poke
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Why? I hate zuck even more. I hope they both crash & burn.
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On one hand, competition is usually good for the end user.
On the other hand, we have such a better platform for users on the fediverse that I'm not really invested in what either of these weirdos do.
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Tbh Elon buying twitter has been a fun ride so far.
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The enemy of my enemy type stuff.
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Don't worry, both of them will loose.
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Musk > Zuck
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Based
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Fair enough. Honestly both of them are rather irrelevant to me because I don't use microblogging social media platforms, so I have no stake in the fight.
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That's a naive position. The fact that so many other people use those services means you will be made to care because of their influence on politics etc. Oligarchs like Musk and Zuckerberg having disproportionate control over the public discourse is a threat to you whether you want to acknowledge it or not.
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I live in a Capitalist nation. The ultra-wealthy have held disproportionate control over mass media here for as long as it has existed, and ultimately whether Zuckerberg or Musk win their stupid competition over microblogging honestly won't impact me one way or another. Obviously their right-wing beliefs impact me, and their messaging will generally make politics in the U.S. worse, but this is a genuinely a case where they're both bad and I'm not sure who's worse, so why take a side in the Threads vs. Twitter discourse when I use neither? I like Mastadon as an idea and I think it has good features, but microblogging generally does better with more centralization because it puts all of the influencers, celebrities, and politicians in one place, and normies seem to find Mastadon's federation confusing, so it hasn't taken off.
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I genuinely don't understand the elon hate. Meta is essentially US govt social media, why in the fxck would anyone use their garbage?
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Because he used his money to turn a townsquare into truthsocial 2.0 and now is paying trolls to stoke division. He is not a good actor.
PS: just to be more explicit: there are amoral people who screw you over without even noticing it, that's how the game was set up, ok. But that is not what Elon is doing. This guy went out of his fucking way and took a loss to ruin a platform for everyone. Think about that. Imagine going out of your way to hurt yourself so you can hurt others more. And this guy says he wants to manage a Mars colony and lead humanity into the future. Please, Jesus, no.
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What has the world come to when people actually think Zuckerberg is the lesser of two evils.
Musk is starting to look like a bit of an asshole, but Zuckerberg is the king of assholes.
Where would the EV market be without Musk buying Tesla? The Prius hybrid would probably still be the most electric thing on the market.
Where would private space exploration without his founding of SpaceX? We would still be waiting for the next US President to cancel their predecessor’s NASA plans and make new plans.
Where would be without Zuckerberg? Probably using a myspace clone with a lot more UI flexibility and crazy banner ads.
Musk put self-driving EV cars on the road and William Shatner in space. Zuckerberg convinced people to give them their data then monetized it and used that knowledge against them.
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My opinion on that is that someone would've done what musk have money for at some point as well. All of those companies were mostly rehashed concepts that became viable due to faster computers, better materials, and better battery technology. I usually don't say this about actual inventions made by scientists and engineers, but most of the time billionaires just provide a concept and daddy's money and that really doesn't take a lot of skills that I think are worth anything.
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That is the thing though, everyone knew someone should be doing what Musk did but no one with real money actually was. Even if he is just the money and the direction and doesn't help figure a single thing out, he is still the driving force.
Should he be necessary in a perfect society? Of course not. In the society we have though, he was instrumental in pointing Space Travel, EV, and to a lesser degree self-driving in the direction many people were hoping it would go.
The reality is that after he became wealthy enough for most people to want to retire he risked it all to do a couple of good things at an important time. Even if he only did it for the chance to make more money, I am still glad he did it.
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Your "opinion" is just the regurgitation of a programmable monkey, playing back rage bait written by journalists on repeat.
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The sad existence of the Hater.
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