2024 is going to be the beginning of the end of us all
2024 is going to be the beginning of the end of us all
No I’m not catastrophising.
The world is slowly lurching towards a fully fascist led America, India, Hungary, Russia, Netherlands, Germany, Italy and Argentina.
Instead people are either ignorant or blaming “wokeism”* for their problems.
I have no clue what to do and this is literally a car crash in slow motion.
I’m despondent because I’m going to be crushed under the boot when the time comes and my morals get in the way of my survival instinct.
Humans are repeating the mistakes of the past. It’s just so anxiety inducing.
*Woke is a useless term promulgated by fascists to dog whistle the things they really want to hate - feminism, socialism, LGBTQIA+, immigration, brown/black people, equality and diversity.
I hate to say this but I've honestly just gotten used to the idea at this point. I've been watching the people around me howling in support of fascism since about 2015 now and the more egregious these politicians crimes become the louder these idiots seem to howl for them. It's been going so long that it's just part of the background noise of day to day life now, and I'm tired of caring anymore. It's fucking depressing.
115I understand how you might feel this way. But a key difference to the early 1930s is that there are many large-scale protests against far right extremism in Germany. The elections in the Netherlands did produce a right wing tendency, but there is no government as of yet and the PVV is still pretty far away from fascism. The other three large winners of the election are not even that right wing. At least no more than the party that ruled for the last 15 years.
That said, I do kinda hope that this phase passes quickly and that people will start to finally get along and care about our fellow humans. Even though we never have.
88Anything I have learned from history classes is that this cycle of fascism/dictatorship and democracy has always been going on, people are dumb -> they choose fascists -> fascist gonna fasc -> ppl get fed up -> uprising/protests -> government overthrown after tons of bloodshed -> some sort of constitutional bind on rulers/elections -> some peace -> dumb ppl forget everything and chose fascists again -> repeat
52I have hope for Germany. The past few weeks we had enormous protests(over 3m people protested in total) and multiple petitions against fascists and the AfD(the party that literally want to deportate everyone who isn't "German"(this means even if you have a German passport, but came from another country youre going to get deportated)) had blown up. Their youth organisation is now officially a right wing extremists organisation. I still have hope, that we may save our country before it's to late.
51Just to give you a bit of a morale boost: every generation thinks they're the last ans that everything is about to go to shit. In the end that never really happens.
Yes, a lot of right wing politicians have beek elected, also all previous ones have failed and got kicked out. For the Netherlands I predict the government will fall within a year as it typically tends to do when the leaders fuck up and this guy will likely fuck up soon enough.
Basically, this too shall pass.
Climate change is indeed a big cloud mainly because it will take centuries to fix even if we're going to fully dedicate ourselves to fixing it, which right now we are not. On the other end I finally hear about actual progress with fusion which, if true, may be the key to solving climate change within a century, solving it to acceptable levels within decades, if the will is there.
Point is: things look bleak, but they always do. Back during the cold war it literally was same shit, different day. Yet, the world moved forward and things slowly improved.
Things will be fine, you will be fine.
48I suggest target practice, that way you won't get crushed by boots....and you can resist any fascist in your area, and encourage others in your immediate area to do the same.
Start a club, and then you can hold parties, where you show each other new knowledge, and help others to protect themselves....and fight against all the fascist hordes!
44We'll see how it shakes out this year, but here are some positive thoughts...
2017 was the high watermark for facism's popularity in the US. They couldn't help themselves and went masks off in Charlottesville, and their movement has never recovered.
Facism's rise is always reactionary to rising socialism. If the rural petite bougausie and the New York Times are pushing for facism then that's because they are worried workers are gaining power and will come to take what they have. They're worried we are getting organized and winning victories.
Conservatives are currently extremely demoralized. Go check out their boards and discords. I've never seen them this universally depressed. Then don't think they can win and they aren't excited at the prospect of trying only to fail.
38May i present to you:
the antifacist handbook, free to download/read (in different formats like pdf/epub/html/plaintext):
https://theanarchistlibrary.org/library/mark-bray-antifa-the-antifascist-handbook
37Organize. The old world is dying, the new world is yet to be born. We are standing at a tipping point not only regarding climate change, but also regarding the future of humanity. It is up to us, how we act and how the new world will look like.
And even if we loose: Its harder to deport and/or kill you, if a bunch of other people got your back.
35I don't even have the energy to keep resisting the endless flow of bullshit anymore. It gets worse from day to day. What bothers me the most is that it's gotten so bad that i turned apathetic to it. If someone starts spewing right wing bullshit i just zone out until they finished. In the end I won't be directly affected by a right wing leadership in my country but i still can't stand the idea. All the progress we have made in the last few years in terms of equality would just go to waste
26We're been living in an oligarchy since the mid 1970s, we've had a surveillance state since 2001 and the US government has been allowed to indefinitely detain people since whatever the year was when Obama signed the NDAA into law.
Our democracy was stolen long ago.
26Much of it is a function of late stage capitalism and climate change. We know we can't change so we know we are doomed. The moral contract of society is completely broken.
My plan is to build a boat that is powered by solar panels. Generate enough electricity to move around the world and have power for making water, heat, cooking, air condition, my PC battle station, some greenhouse areas. Be able to build, maintain and repair everything myself and have enough spares to last until EOL. Just exit society, become an island and watch the nukes go off from the ocean. Welcome to !collapse@lemmy.ml
Probably humanity will muddle through somehow and after much genocide we'll learn.
19I feel you, and with climate change it's not like we can just escape them and go else where their stupidity will be the death of us all.
The masses are asses.
19Slowly?
18There's nothing you can do, at least outside of your local community. It's still possible to be a decent human being and help people with your own two hands.
At this point the only thing that would have stopped this would have been Joe Biden radically shifting to the left and laser-focusing on lifting the poor and middle class, to the extent that their new quality of life would make it unthinkable to vote Trump.
Instead, the opposite is true. Biden's spent the bulk of his time making arms deals and funding other countries' wars, and homelessness jumped 12% in 2023. Hell, in a year half of the US will have literally criminalized abortion in all cases, because Idaho got away with it already.
Fascism isn't some looming specter. It's here.
18Slowly?
(Don’t forget Israel!)
18If only this was that simple. A "Democratic country" doesn't just wake up one day vote for a bad guy and become fascist. This has been happening all over the world for last few decades. All the past politician created few policies out of fear, out of ignorance, out of greed, and out of malice that edged us towards this. And now most of the people have accepted this blatant abuse of our freedom, our privacy, our democracy as just part of life. There is nothing that anyone can do to stop this. Because we don't bother reading EULA because we don't demand the companies the governments to do better we just sign away our rights our freedom because we have better things to do.
16Don't underestimate the backlash. The big, mellower, center segment of the population that is generally more chill isn't in favor of fascist idiots.
Just, do what you can to help maintain motivation in the face of the fascist fear-train. Fear is their #1 tool, it's the emotion that underpins their whole worldview. Control is simply a response to that fear. Without that underlying current of fear, though, how do they get people to grant them control?
16Hungary is seriously fucked up at the moment but calling it fascism is a huge stretch. It's not like these fuckers actually believe in anything, they'll just do whatever gets them the votes and the cash. Not that the tendencies aren't worrying (in fact I've left the country because of them), but it's not a full blown dictatorship yet. Source: am Hungarian.
14Yes, fully agree, we're living in post apocalypse times :( Climate crisis will cause more casualties, and the rising fascism will do so as well. There's usual housing crisis, and the hyped A.I. as well among others.
In your list of countries you can add Belgium as well. In fact today it is hard to think of a country in Europe which has shown zero far right or fascism sentiments nowadays. It is difficult to focus on positive things but things like solidarity, keeping in touch with like minded people, de-growth, D.I.Y. and de-googling can help.
13Add France to your list mate. If it doesn't happen in 2027, it will happen on the next election cycle.
10I find it fascinating that so many people realize that this happens but very few actually do something against it. I don't mean demonstrating, although that's a good thing and better than nothing, but what to do to fight fascism on a sustainable, more permanent level? Fight disinformation wherever you meet it, don't ever ignore it. Ever. Spray cans and large permanent pens are your friend in the beginning. No paroles. Truth. Do something for/ with the youth in your area, even if they laugh at you or ignore you, they WILL think about it in the end. Network. Talk to all kinds of people, again, no paroles, just listen to their problems, then lead them carefully on a way and let them decide themselves. Very many will come to a human conclusion. And make it clear to the rest, that the fascists will take their money first. Compare them to con men, because that's what they are. One last thing: "shock therapy" does NOT work (anymore). People filter much easier today. Any more suggestions? I mean real ones, not "shoot them all" BS
9My parents are in their 80's and my wife is older than me and they are the only people who really matter to me. I don't have other family.
When they go I will go too. I don't see how I will be able to live on my own.
8You forgot about the UK
7history is repeating itself
6About the only palliative measure I can think about is to disengage from society completely, as it's no longer possible to correct it, and go live in the middle of nowhere until the planet eventually goes to hell. Or until society decides to go fully nihilistic and self-terminate.
4Germany
Hey, at least we are fighting them this time! But sure, if system-wide changes are not coming, more people will fall into the hands of the fascists.
3All we have to do is unite. There's more of us than them. And we don't even have to protest or leave our homes. They all bow down to the mighty dollar, all we have to do is plan not to buy from 'company A' unless they 'insert world fixing demand that they're currently doing the opposite of' ' knock them down one by one. We could even pool together a dollar or two each, that's all we'd need if we got enough people together and buy ourselves our very own Politician!! We may even be able to buy them all back.... That's probably pipe dreams. We need to make Poole's union.
3Don't forget Sweden
2I don't know what is missed And at this moment, I am too afraid to ask
2Ok maybe Austria will get these fascist assholes in power. Thats bad because Austria is like a playground in politics if it could happen in Austria it could happen in Germany too and then everywhere else.
2I don't know the politics of most of those places, but Russia and America definitely are not fascist. Oligarchy is not the same as fascism, though they are certainly good friends. America is no more fascist today than it was when our capitalists were helping out the Nazis. The government is not fascist, only our capitalists are pseudo fascist. The same is true in Russia.
1Yeah you poor souls are truly living in an anti democratic fascist oligarchy and man I wish I could do something to help.. God save us all for what will happen when the time comes to pay for someone with weapons
1It's not actually fascism, it's modern feudalism. The push for a more totalitarian government in all of the countries you mention is being funded by the super rich who want the working class to stay firmly under their thumb. And the plebes who are voting for the oligarchic candidates are really just voting to become serfs to their new lords and masters.
-1You can start by addressing the concerns of the (growing, albeit not yet majority of) people. Things like voicing concerns on automation, cost of living and immigration can’t be ignored and called “fascist” or “racist” to make them go away. You can’t shame people with real worries into quieting down.
Governments, at least here in the Netherlands, have worked on globalist ideas while ignoring their populace, this is now coming back to bite them.
-1I don't feel this way because I don't watch the news.
If you watch that stuff, you are doing exactly what they earn money on. You being anxious, you clicking, you worrying.
You need to start focusing on your own life. Turn off that damn TV and stop watching news. What are you going to do next? Take a walk? Listen to music maybe? Watch a movie with friends? Eat cake?
Take back control of your emotions. Spend a day without watching the news. Can you even do it? Or will you become too anxious and worried by not knowing what's happening?
-2From the perspective of age, we’re always careening one direction to another one potential catastrophe to another. It’s never pretty in the short term, in the small details. However from the larger perspective, the direction of society approximates a middle of the road direction.
For your own sanity, step back from the immediate details and see where we’re heading from a more safe distance
-4Let's start with this: Can you do anything personally to save the world? I'm not talking incremental personal improvement rainbows and butterflies horseshit, I'm saying can you personally do anything to stop what is clearly a catastrophic trajectory?
If you can, do it. If you can't, which I believe nobody can at this point, it's time to stop worrying and live the life you have left.
Spend more time outside, learn to paint acrylics, go get some pussy.
Why torture yourself and live in misery? Why allow all the evil people trying to terrorize you to succeed? Fuck that noise.
Read this, it'll help: https://classics.mit.edu/Epictetus/epicench.html
-8Get your news from - Associated Press. Reuters. BBC News at a push. Nobody else.
You'll find that, apart from a few major terrorist organisations like the IDF and the American armed forces, actually everything's pretty ok
Edit - downvoted by people who don't realise that no matter how fucked up certain things are, our lives are a million times easier than they used to be. Yes, our world is a bit fucked up, but at least your biggest problem is some religious weirdos not accepting your sexualities fucksake. You've got fucking food and the shelter to endure the climate changes that your ancestors endured with sticks and furs 😂
Oh, just realised that the downvoting might be because I said the American army are terrorists. But I can't think of a better noun for global destabilising criminals lol
-11I think that instead of it being the end we will simply learn that fully fascist world is actually quite good for business and nothing will change for vast majority of people. I'm not saying it will be good. It will be worse, just not as bad as you think.
Edit: I guess I should have said "fully fascist" with ' " '. What I'm saying is that the world is moving to the right, yes, but it's not collapsing into fascist states. OP is being overly pessimist. The whole world is not turning into US.
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