California Dem Barbara Lee defends call for $50 federal minimum wage: 'Just barely enough'

And it's not just minimum wage workers... when you sink the wage and salary floor, nearly everyone made less than they should have been.

This is the main roadblock to getting the issue fixed. People making more than minimum but not much more than the increased amount compared their salary and work to minimum wage jobs, never considering that their pay would be raised as a side effect. If people can get nearly the same pay for what they perceive as less work then companies would have to raise wages to keep current and hire new staff going forwards.

Yes other product prices would raise as well, people have more money to spend, but all evidence shows that those would not be the same rate as the wage increase.

It's the classic, "fuck you, I got mine", attitude so prevalent today in our society.

Where did your values come from? I found minimum wage for 1968 at $1.60, which is about $15 an hour today. It's about 45% lower real wages today.

... and $50 would be 60% more than that?

Only because of 50 years of middle class wages failing to keep up with productivity gains.

Por que, and I mean this with total earnest, no los dos?

UBI is always the star compared to increased minimum wage, since it allows a lot of decoupling of your access to basic necessities from your ability to work or find employment.

A world with adequate UBI, or similar arrangements, and (obviously) universal healthcare and a functioning education system and all that jazz, is a world where unemployment rates don't matter, where you don't need to create artificial jobs to accomodate for the large amounts of people who can't find work.

When you think about it, the entire concept of "this policy is good and should become law because it creates paying jobs" is pretty fucked up, why are people starving as a result of job roles in society being sufficiently filled? High unemployment is often a sign of a healthy and functioning society, yet with our economic system it's a sign of a dysfunctional society because not having paying jobs available means people can't obtain a decent standard of living.

And our system's response to this issue is to abuse it by subjecting the remaining available jobs either to extremely low pay, poor working conditions, little to no protections, OR to make the job inaccessible to most people, to make the (usually financial) barrier to entry so incredibly high that it creates an artificial shortage of workers.

Political rant incoming: And many people subject to this system are the first ones to claim that it's a necessary evil, that it's okay that our society relies on a large portion of the population being in poverty and forcing shit pay & working conditions on the majority of the labour force, because "if it were any different, then surely nobody would work the hard jobs". It's very convenient to ignore the fact that a large portion of people go out of their way and sacrifices their own time and earnings to do volunteer work, to participate in elaborate hobbies, often doing the same things which are thought of as "undesirable" under this economic system.

What's most funny (or maybe sad) is that the people that peddle this kind of anti-human rhetoric are often also right-wing "libertarians" and "anarcho-"capitalists who claim that people's goodwill and charitable donations would prop up the unfortunate in a society with little to no taxes (or my favorite, "society can and should totally be funded by regressive sales taxes and no other taxes"), no healthcare, or welfare at all for that matter, no public education, etc. It's absurd how they view the world like that, thinking the ruling class will willingly fund destitution out of society, but then do mental gymnastics to act like the idea that most people will voluntarily contribute their labour, even to the "dirty jobs", in a society where doing unpaid labour isn't unsustainable for them and where the "dirty jobs" aren't looked down upon and stigmatized like they are now, is absurd and truly an unsolvable paradox.

They couldn't imagine that people would want to keep their own home nice and clean and would give their own energy to make sure it stays that way – likely because they can't comprehend seeing their community, certainly not a society in general, as their home, they don't have any meaningful connection to the world around them and are only capable of seeing it in a selfish and individualistic manner, with "us" and "them", with castes based on shallow, surface-level judgements/criteria. They claim nobody would willingly do the hard and dirty jobs because they wouldn't, they think most people are as oriented towards doing the least amount of work possible as them, that people will only do things they need to do for others if there's a constant threat of lowering quality of life, despair, starvation, death, disenfranchisement/imprisonment, etc. looming above their heads if they don't submit.

I don't know how the hell the idea – that you, along with everyone else, can take a few hours out of their week to contribute to basic maintenance of society – is so hard for some people to wrap their head around. Have you never done housework/chores, or assisted your neighbours with some handiwork, or willingly done an ounce of community service by picking up & disposing of trash in public? Have you never volunteered to do social work? Hell, have you even had things you did at all not for capital gain, but because you were passionate about it or just cared about it? I'm pretty against being religious now, but when I was younger and went to church, we (a LOT of the church, a majority of the hundreds of members would regularly be involved) would frequently go on days-long "activities" which would just be things like assisting severely disabled seniors, helping children/middle schoolers with their responsibilities, cleaning & repairing places for members or organizations who needed the support, hosting events where everyone would bring their own food and all were invited to come, that sort of stuff. (I miss the days where I actually had the means to volunteer and didn't have 70K in medical bills, an all-consuming work life, and lack of funds for college that I had to prioritize LOL). I could swear that that's a pretty common thing across the country, but I guess not, seeing how people treat the subject of society's willingness to do for the community rather than just avoiding anything that's hard/dirty and doesn't benefit them. Maybe it's only when the big man upstairs is focused where these people are willing to do good?

Thanks, American-style capitalism, I hate it

Imagine how much they’d have to raise your current wage to remain competitive. Especially with such a poor work life balance.

sounds like you just need a new employer. Most people don't work 3am-8pm...

So the way it actually works is you say” Hey fucking McDonald’s is paying this much, pay me more or I go find another job.”

Sounds great!

This is kinda the point.

Let all full time jobs pay good enough. Want skilled labor? Better give incentive to take that responsibility, or we will all work high school level jobs. It's about goddamn time the tables were turned. I'm tired of hearing "you're fortunate to have this job." No, you're fortunate to make a killing off of us.

Not saying I agree with the number, but I wholeheartedly agree with the message.

Hell yeah comrade. The capitalists have made us squirm for a meager non-living wage long enough. Let's start automating bullshit jobs and redistributing the wealth they create.

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If $50 is too much, give us a counter offer. What do you think? $35?

What is?

A recording of yourself speaking?