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Donald Trump will be the first former president to face a criminal trial, judge rules

www.motherjones.com Donald Trump will be the first former president to face a criminal trial, judge rules

Trump's New York case will begin in March.

Trump’s New York case will begin in March

A New York judge ruled Thursday that Donald Trump will stand trial in March on charges related to the Stormy Daniels coverup. Assuming the case goes forward as scheduled, Trump will be the first former president ever to be criminally tried. It will also be the first criminal case to slot in place among the complicated judicial calendar Trump is facing in this election year, and it means Trump will almost certainly face a jury before Election Day. In three other jurisdictions—Georgia state court and federal courts in Florida, and Washington, D.C.—Trump has been indicted on charges related to the 2020 elections and his retention of classified documents, but the timetable for those cases remains unclear.

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Cheers 🥃

34 indictments in this case, it’s not election interference one’s swamped in political bullshit. This one’s backed up by a mountain of evidence, and the testimony of the lawyer who arranged it and already went to jail for it. That’s right, Trump lawyer and fixer, Michael Cohen, who you might remember for way the fuck back. Remember when we all were saying that this might be the guy who could assfuck and take down Trump? Yeah, well, now that’s finally about to happen.

And, with a solid 1/3 of the total criminal indictments against Trump all in this one trial, at least some of which is likely to result in conviction (due to the fact there’s no way Trump can slide on all 34 charges), this is very likely the beginning of a reversal of luck for Trump. I am finally glad to see it.

But, we’ll see. I’m cautious, but hopeful.

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- Be careful with that “no way Trump can slide on all 34 charges” stuff.
  
  All you need is ONE juror to hold their ground and it’s a hung jury. You get one dedicated MAGAt creating an 11-1 hung jury and Señor BuildThaWall can delay prison with mistrial after mistrial.
  
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  How do you even have a jury trial for a president? isnt the jury supposed to not have a preexisting opinion of the person being charged?
  
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  Sadly true. However given jury selection is a thing, you can bet that prosecution did their best to weed out any overly biased jurors.
  
  I mean, nothing is perfect (it's humans all the way down, and humans are flawed), but for a trial like this you can bet both sides went over everyone with the biggest magnifying glass they could find.
  
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  One of the cases in NY his lawyers failed to request a jury trial, and is being adjudicated by the judge who clearly has no love for the defendant, and seems to be doing everything he can to avoid an appeal, much less a mistrial. That one is sticking .
  
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  That’s true, but in every case against him with a jury so far, he’s still lost, even though a few jurors were trump supporters. When presented with the evidence in a forum where they have to listen, where that evidence wasn’t filtered through their lunatic talking heads, and where they couldn’t immediately run to their extremist forums to filter and reinterpret it for them, they’ve realised that oh yeah, this guy is a criminal and they’ve been duped.
  
  I’m not concerned about rogue jurors. Many of his supporters can come back to reality when that reality is no longer filtered through a bullshit lens. Watch The Brainwashing of My Dad on ~~Netflix~~ (e: it’s no longer on Netflix. So Freevee, Prime, or Apple TV, I guess. I added the IMdB link, which includes places to watch it now). It covers much of that effect.
  
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- This is one indictment, with 34 counts. And it's probably worth noting that if he were to be convicted, the charges would likely be consolidated at sentencing; 34 counts does not mean that he would be sentenced to 34x as much jail time. Not to mention that since these all stem from the same set of facts, it's most likely all or nothing.
  
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  At his age and health, only a couple of years would effectively be a death sentence.
  
  Having to live in a cell without his luxuries, entourage, and Diet Coke button would break him pretty quickly. He’d likely have a heart attack from the stress and indignation far before even a short sentence was over.
  
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This guy has so many 'firsts', too bad they are all horrible firsts that no one should have ever done.

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- I hope his next”first” is “ex president sent to prison.”
  
  And his last is “first ex president to die in prison”
  
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  I'm still holding out for first presidential candidate to croak weeks from election day
  
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Is there any chance on earth that he actually goes to jail for even a day?

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- I think it's way more likely that he gets sentenced to house arrest, which he could serve at Mar a Lago. The other option is to have Secret Service agents following him around inside a prison trying to protect him from the other inmates (and possibly the guards), and I don't think either the prisons or the Secret Service want to deal with that.
  
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  Actually they could throw him in a maximum security prison and condem him to solitary confinement (for his own protection you know) and that would negate the need for the Secret Service
  
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  "Yeah, he's a convicted felon, but we can't put him in jail because that would inconvenience the Secret Service."
  
  Nope. Sorry it's a burden for them, but they can figure it out. Make a prison out of the brig on an abandoned military base in the middle of nowhere with him as the only prisoner. It worked for Rudolph Hess.
  
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  Prison is for poor people, not presidents. I think most people understand that not everyone is equal under the law at this point in time.
  
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  I thought he had to forfeit Mar A Lago because he falsely claimed it to be a primary residence which it isn't
  
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- For this? No. For the Georgia case? It's a real possibility if he doesn't get elected.
  
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  If he gets jail time for a state case he can't pardon himself. It'd be interesting how the state would handle it. Would they let him defer his prison sentence until after his term?
  
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  I think Fani Willis screwed that up.
  
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- None at all. As a last resort they'll (successfully) make a incompetency plea, which is true. The man isn't competent enough to tie his shoes without adult supervision.
  
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  In a sane world, an incompetency plea would bar someone from office
  
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  That's not how incompetency pleas work.
  
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- The most likely situation is barred from running for President while he continues to spew lies and vitriol from the sidelines. We also can’t ignore the possibility of his progeny running for office thanks to the dynastic view these scumbag wealthy types tend to take of their money and power.
  
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  There is nothing about this case that would bar him from running for office. This is unrelated to Jan 6.
  
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  We also can’t ignore the possibility of his progeny running for office…
  
  You just made me throw up so hard.
  
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- Yes, but not in this case. Some of the other cases will get him there and it will be glorious.
  
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  But if he becomes president he can grant himself immunity correct?
  
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- No. Best we can hope for is to bog him down in appeals and lawsuits, till his heart pops from a big Mac
  
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Particularly enjoyable is no more of this jet-setting on campaign bullshit in lieu of sitting in a series of dreary courtrooms for the rest of his days

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- Wonder how that will go. If he doesn't show up to court he WILL lose. If he does go to court, he will be able to campaign a lot less
  
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  Most cases don't require the dependent to show up for all of the court dates. So long as legal representation is present. Aka just the lawyer can show up for many. Arraignment, declaration of guilty/not guilty
  
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  The end result of someone never forced to compromise or make an irreversible decision.
  
  They will eventually meet an irresistable force and the only thing that ever made him immoveable was that same irresistable force that is now itself conveying him
  
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Repercussions make us all better people. Hope you enrich your life soon Trump [hopefully, in jail].

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Well somebody had to be first and I'm pretty sure he has a Ricky Bobby mindset.

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Good for him! I always knew he could do it

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Really shouldnt of been the first though, considering all the prior presidents who had some hand in war crimes while in office.

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- Will never happen anywhere.
  
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  Yep. The entire gov has decided that decisions made by the president "related to nat sec" can never be prosecuted. On one hand it makes sense on the other hand it opens the door to literal genocide.
  
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  I know, but I can dream.
  
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Likely what happens is that the GOP routes around the damage if his legal troubles sink him before the RNC, as there are several alternatives who could fill the vacuum if he disappears. Best case scenario, it becomes clear during the 3 days of the RNC exactly how fucked he is and they're forced hastily to choose an unelectable dark-horse candidate who proceeds to lose. Worst case, he holds his image together until he gets the nomination, then his Presidential campaign becomes a campaign to pardon and executive privilege his way out of prison.

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Some religious types are pointing-out a page on www.BenjaminLCorey.com which identifies that Trump's matching the anti-christ/biblical-abomination of the End Time rather well..

However, until he is made illegal to be ruler of the US, there is one of those items ( from Daniel ) that hasn't come-true yet.

According to that page, iirc, Daniel states that ~ he is not even legal to be king ~ or something like that, and that hasn't happened, so therefore there is still 1 mismatch between the Christian biblical prophecies-set & the evidence. ( the Jewish set doesn't include any of the New Testament stuff, hence it is the Christian set which is more-completely predicting/accusing ).

I'm only pointing this out.

I didn't believe until just-recently, that authority in the US would have the spine to make it illegal for him to be ruler, but now it looks like 1 or more of the .. 91 criminal charges, is it .. may stick, so now I'm having to accept that that ancient scientifically-testable-prediction-set may actually hit all its points, this year.

Just observing, is all, not anything else.

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And be presidenr again. Also only pressident to win 3 times, not bad for the guy ;)👌👌 🐸

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- Damn dude I’m pretty sure they taught us about FDR in like 5th grade.
  
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- LOL people totally didn't get your joke and took you seriously. So very strange.
  
  In fact, this is a good one. For those who didn't understand: Trump claimed to win the popular vote in the last two elections, which he didn't. Another election is coming up...
  
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  It takes one profile click to see this dude dropping slurs and randomly accusing criminals of being immigrants.
  
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  Damn, I missed it too. Flew right over my head.
  
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- Oh shit, you're not coping with this well are you? Suicide watch time for magatards?
  
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- Smugness with undertones of fragility
  
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