Nikki Haley sides with Alabama Supreme Court on IVF ruling: 'Embryos, to me, are babies'
Nikki Haley sides with Alabama Supreme Court on IVF ruling: 'Embryos, to me, are babies'
The Alabama court's recent ruling raised concerns among doctors and patients that classifying embryos as children could restrict in-vitro fertilization.
We are now literally one step from "ovulation is murder."
That's not an exaggeration. The only step past "IVF embryos are babies" is "ovulation kills a baby."
180Technically, ovulation without fertilization would be the benchmark.
Also, you probably can't miscarry. Which happens 10-15% of the time on average, and is much higher for some individuals.
These people are out to lunch. How stupid, uneducated, and emotional could someone possibly be?
The only people who are stupider are undecided or non-voters.
79Five years from now, red states will have laws that say every woman's menstrual tissue must be collected for analysis in case the egg was fertilized without implanting. If this happens, she will be charged with murder.
Oh, and women will still need to buy their own menstrual products and pay sales tax on them.
30The only people who are stupider are undecided or non-voters.
God, tell me about it. I've seen so many reactionary takes with what's going on in Gaza and the US support for it, insisting they're staying home over it, when if they thought out the problem for like 5 seconds more, they'd realize what absolute children they're being.
Not only is not voting going to result in America taking a MORE extreme stance on Gaza, but it also invites endless suffering from this and other extremist positions, that will hurt us, our families, and our loved ones. Real fucking strategery there guys. I really hope I'll have it in me to rub their faces in the inevitable consequences, but realistically I'll be too much of a shell to care after seeing everyone I love suffer.
7This works in their favor as these pieces of shit also love the prison
slaverylabor system we implement to feed major corporations withslavefree labor.The more ridiculous felonies they can pin on people the more
slavescheap labor they provide.2
The cheek cells in spit have a full set of chromosomes and given the right conditions could be turned into a growing embryo. Guess that means dentists are mass murderers now, all those little potential lives going down that suction tube of death.
14I think they draw the line at fertilization, but everybody does loves to shift their goalposts on the hill they choose to die on.
9"Fertilization" is a continuum, not a moment in time. I know everyone thinks of that magic moment when the one sperm breaks through the outer membrane, from the video we all watched in 7th grade. But that "moment" could be anytime during a span of days, and there are a hundred "moments" before and after that determine whether the egg will be viable and attach to the uterine wall. And then there are a thousand more moments that determine if the uterus is hospitable and the mother capable of supporting a pregnancy to term. And then there are a million more moments between when the pregnancy begins and the baby is born and separated from the mother. Until that point, objectively, it is not yet an independent person.
It's not just shifting goalposts. Fertilization is a line in the sand under water. Theoretically, you could say it exists, but you're going to have to redraw the line every time you try to find it, and it's gone pretty much as soon as you look away.
Anyone who chooses to die on that hill is a religious fruitcake, devoid of value as a thinking human.
49They draw the line at women having equal rights.
16When have they ever drawn a line?
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Someone else came up with this.
Imagine you're in a clinic. Fire breaks out. You have a choice; save a living baby or 5,000 frozen embryos.
65This is the new Republican "trolley problem".
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Republicans
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Very simple. The living baby is a piece of shit, we only care about the unborn.
27Another mouth to feed in the welfare state bleeding the job-creators dry.
7Does that baby contribute to the economy?
3Your sarcasm is drowned by the inadvertent truth (republican-style, that is) in your statement.
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Is the baby a Republican or Democrat?
8Hamas.
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Do they have social security numbers? Can the hospital claim them as dependents? Can an eighteen-year-old embryo vote?
51They’ll recruit the 18 year old embryos into the military.
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Republicans in a race to the bottom to figure out who can say the stupidest thing possible. Between this and Jewish space lasers, I think the competition is heating up.
46I just realized, why isn’t Israel using the space lasers to level Gaza?
18Because they're the most moral army in the world. :-/
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In a way it is a race to the "bottom" they're pushing the definition of life to be the earliest point possible to make abortion absolutely impossible at any point.
Just remember: It'S a StAtEs RiGhTs IsSuE!! (Until they want more, then they lie about that too.)
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everything is a fucking baby nowadays. quick hypothetical: you're in a burning building, in that building is a single two year old, and a cooler with 10,000 fertilized embryos in it. You can only grab one. Do you rescue the two year old, or 10,000 "babies"? If one embryo = one child then it's pretty obvious what the right decision is, right?
46An embryo is nothing without implantation.
45Next step: conscripting women to carry them because the "life" of the embryo is more important than their own.
6To recognize embryos as life would you not have to recognize sperm as life as well? Meaning that we have to recognize millions of deaths per ejaculation. How then can we say 100,000,000 lives killed is okay, but the embryo which I would argue is like a seed without sun/water/soil.
4Came here to say this. Also, getting a blow job is being complicit in mass murder.
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🎵🎶every sperm is sacred🎵🎶
43Why is Nikki Haley starting a war on Christianity? Does she hate Jesus? Does she think she knows more than God? She is oppressing good religious people who follow the bible which says life begins at first breath. She will burn in hell.
37Bible jeopardy time!
If the life of the flesh is in the blood and embryos don't have blood cells, then embryos are ____.
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I can't believe they're allowing people to freeze their babies, leaving them alone in freezers with strangers for only god knows how long. I'm worried that some sick democrat might sneak in and give them a free lunch!
36Paramecium? Baby.
Amoeba? Baby.
Toxoplasmosis gondii? Believe it or not, also baby.
35Hey, we don't even have to leave humanity.
Cancer? Baby.
In fact...
Embryo:
Cancer:
Second one's got more cells. That means it's more of a baby, right?
11Hmm, unique DNA? Check
Living parasitically off of another human being? Check.
Potentially fatal? Check
Yep, cancer is a baby.
16May I present to you the teratoma?
If you’re feeling brave, go ahead and do an image search. Not only more cells, but things like teeth and hair and bones.
Nice work, god. Great design. Absolute perfection in his image and all that.
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Embryos can be whatever you want to you, miss Haley, but the rest of us live in reality. I can say that embryos are, to me, 8 story crustaceans from the paleolithic era. Doesn't necessarily make 'em so.
35Well it was about this time that I noticed the embryo was actually an 8 stories tall and was a crustacean from the Protozoic era. It was the Loch Ness monster! I said "Damn it Monster, get off my lawn! I ain't given you no Tree Fiddy."
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Hey you fucking self-hating misogynistic dipshit, if "embryos" are the same as "babies" then why the fuck do we have different words to describe them?
Almost like words fucking matter.
29Bruh. Nothing matters to these charlatans.
13Also, if an embryo isn't born yet, and citizenship is conferred at birth, are they even a citizen? Shouldn't the Republicans be up in arms about all these protectons for non-citizens?
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I cant wait for this cunt to fuck off into obscurity. After the generals and hopefully some damage to the leading republican traitor.
26“Embryos, to me, a person who is not qualified to make the assessment and is not a doctor, are babies”
Fixed that for her
26Sheer insanity.
18Haley, to me, is an idiot.
16Those are some ugly “babies”…
16It could always be worse. It could, also, always be better.
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I wonder if Haley is vegan. She seems willing to expand the definition of what is a life and what is sacred. Which is more alive, an adult cow or a single cell human embryo? Are either acceptable to eat? Why or why not?
14Better start protesting outside IVF clinics then considering they destroy unused embryos.
14You joke, but it sounds like IVF clinics are all but closing down in Alabama because of this ruling. The IVF parents who sued because they accidentally lost embryos have made it so no one can use IVF in the state at all.
14Classic, I got mine. Fuck you mentality.
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Can't wait for all the embryo and ovulation memes on lemmy.
13no memes on Lemmy please
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So, they are going to count toward tax credits, too...right?
12100% yes
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So no more omelettes for her?
11Permanently Deleted
3Free range, some are. Factory made where chickens never see the light of day, no chance. They are fed hormones to keep producing eggs.
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So should women be considered child murderers when they ovulate and don't get pregnant?
Fucking stupid.
9Cool, are you going to pay child support for them?
Oh, they're only babies when it comes to diminishing women's rights? Interesting.
6What the hell, why don't they just cut to the chase and put every woman of childbearing age in jail. Pretty sure that's what they really want.
2This is the best summary I could come up with:
Ambassador Nikki Haley said Wednesday that frozen embryos created through in-vitro fertilization are “babies,” siding with a recent Alabama Supreme Court decision that raised concerns among doctors and patients about the future of the procedure.
Later on Wednesday, the University of Alabama at Birmingham announced that it was pausing IVF treatments in response to the state Supreme Court ruling.
Asked if legislation and rulings like the one in Alabama could have a chilling effect on families using IVF to become parents, Haley said, “This is one where we need to be incredibly respectful and sensitive about it."
She has repeatedly calling for national "consensus" on abortion in debates instead of the bans and restrictions favored by some of her primary opponents.
As Haley presses her increasingly long-shot bid for the White House against former President Donald Trump, she has warned that ongoing legal proceedings could hamper his electability.
Asked if she could vote for him if he were the nominee and he was convicted of a felony, Haley dodged, saying “those are hypotheticals” and questioning whether Trump would even stay in the 2024 presidential race at that point.
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