The poll was improperly conducted and way too short for users to adequately find in time. This announcement is the first I'm hearing about this discussion or poll at all.
I think this might be jumping the gun. Also, it's poor form, imo, to change the focus of a community after it's been established. It would make more sense to create /c/lemmyfossapps or something similar. Taking a broadly-focused community and narrowing it down after people have already joined feels wrong.
Those are my two cents, since I never got a chance to respond to the poll, which allegedly already had a pretty narrow margin.
13Definitely agree.
The poll has been restored in the meantime, but I'm not sure if that federates with Kbin
7I can confirm from kbin to the degree it matters the original poll post is listed as "deleted_by_author" in my comments page, manually opening the URL for the page shows no comments, only the total number of favorites and reduces (possibly only the reduces from kbin specifically as the split shown is 71 up/2 down which is much different than the listed number of down in other comments)
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FYI, I raised the issue to the LW admins on !moderators@lemmy.world
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I still disagree with how this was executed:
- Voting on a post is not a fair way to conduct a poll because (1) each instance shows a different amount of votes due to federation delays/issues, (2) some instances disable downvotes, and (3) downvoting decreases the visibility of posts in the main feed
- The poll only ran for 20 hours and you didn’t state when it was going to close beforehand
I’m putting further pressure on this because:
- The community seems to be divided pretty evenly on this proposal
- This community is named lemmyapps, not fosslemmyapps
- Some of us have privacy-respecting, non-tracking, no-ads apps that do not follow the FOSS model for good reasons
- Your accounts are all less than 10 days old. Nothing necessarily wrong with that, but an introduction from our new moderator would have established a bit more credibility before making quick changes like this.
Here are some alternative solutions we could discuss:
- Leave this community as-is and create a new community for free, open-source apps
- Prioritize free, open-source apps in this community with megathreads or title requirements
- If you’re still wanting to restrict this community to FOSS, do another poll that more accurately and fairly counts votes (using something like StrawPoll potentially).
Regardless, please take the time needed to do this fairly and consider both sides. Changing the topic of a 5k-member community based on a 50/50 or even 60/40 vote should not be taken lightly.
10Well put.
appears you might be banned from an instance.
Do you have more details on this?
5Oh, spoke too soon maybe, looks like it might have been accidental https://awful.systems/modlog?page=1&userId=3525901
I’ll remove that from my comment
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FYI, I raised the issue to the LW admins on !moderators@lemmy.world
2our accounts are all less than 10 days old
And ?
and it appears you might be banned from an instance.
I don't think so if i am can you give some proof as i would geniunly love to know
Nothing necessarily wrong with that, but an introduction from our new moderator would have established a bit more credibility before making quick changes like this.
I didn't feel the need to . And i don't think mods even do that
If you’re still wanting to restrict this community to FOSS, do another poll that more accurately and fairly counts votes
I can do another poll if the /c/ wishes me to but for the moment let the /c/ stay like this.
-4Might have spoken too soon, sorry. I saw you were banned on awful.systems but looks like the ban was an accident (modlog).
You don’t have to do any of that, I was just pointing out that none of us really know who you are, where you came from, or how you became a mod here. That makes the decisions you’re making for this community more difficult to receive.
If another poll (through StrawPoll or something else more fair) is the only option you’ll consider, I vote for that. I still think a separate community for FOSS Lemmy apps would be best given the results so far, but it’s ultimately up to you
7I can do another poll if the /c/ wishes me to but for the moment let the /c/ stay like this.
This seems completely arbitrary, and a decision you made alone as opposed to at least half of the community's will
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That’s too bad, some of us simply want to retain ownership of what we create or are looking for a more sustainable model. I definitely see and respect the good intentions here though.
Also, in the interest of transparency, would you mind un-deleting the poll post and discussion post so others can see the discussions if they wish?
8The poll was definitely too short, I didn't even get a chance to see it despite being subbed.
7this decision was made as a community by conducting a poll
Would it be possible for you to link to said poll? I'm curious what the final votes were.
6Curious about the poll too, I follow this community quite closely and haven't seen it
4Pretty sure that vote count isn't correct. If I recall correctly the home instance of a community would have the total vote counts. When viewing a post from other instances you often just see the votes from users on that instance. I don't know when/if/how that propogates to keep vote counts the same across different instances (assuming it does, I don't think Lemmy devs place much value on tracking votes TBH).
What is the link to the post on lemmy.world itself, anyone have that?
e.g.
-14 votes https://lemmy.world/post/12235423
+1 vote https://lemmy.sdf.org/post/12576832
-12 votes https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/post/14852887
EDIT: Added lemmy.world, that should be the correct total vote count (thanks /u/Blaze@reddthat.com !)
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@THE_MASTERMIND@lemmy.sdf.org, could you please revert the community to what it was when you took over (allowing non FOSS?)
2Why do you care you said you use lemmy ui which is foss ?
1I care because
- Lemmy is supposed to have better moderation practices than Reddit. I'm sorry, but the recent events aren't really showing the transparency and community spirit we are supposed to have on Lemmy
- When I talk about Lemmy, I use the mobile clients as a reason to use it rather than Reddit. I usually refer to this community to show how active development is. Having this community refusing to show non FOSS clients gives the impression that Lemmy is only for strong FOSS advocates, while it should be more tolerant
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