Republican bill would let AZ ranchers shoot and kill border-crossers on their property
Republican bill would let AZ ranchers shoot and kill border-crossers on their property
Arizona Republicans want to let ranchers in southern Arizona legally shoot and kill undocumented immigrants who cross their land.
And how, exactly, are they going to assess if anyone is "undocumented" at 200, 300, 400 yards?
101Well, they're BROWN. Clearly! /s
46Just like the door gunner in Full Metal Jacket.
Anyone who runs is an illegal. Anyone who stands still is a well disciplined illegal.
32With a color swatch strip that runs from beige to brown. Anywhere darker than tan and it's open season.
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The law change as far as I can tell allows you to shoot intruders on your property right away.
8Heading north
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These mofos always looking for excuses to hunt people, especially minorities.
85What are they supposed to do with all those guns, just look at them? Come on bro, be chill. They just want to do a lil brownperson hunting.
And what the fuck are you gonna do to stop em?
28It's kind of funny how it sneaks up on you...
I never thought I'd own a gun, but had an apartment in a bad neighborhood, lots of drugs and crime, loose pit bulls running around.
So I bought a gun:
https://www.beretta.com/en-us/product/92fs-FA0043
Roll forward 20 years, my grandfather passes away, leaves his guns to my dad. My dad passes away... suddenly I'm the owner of 14 guns. O_O
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Yes, my immediate thought was "Melenated people are targets more than ever in my lifetime. I'm the same age as people who still weren't allowed in designated schools, hospitals, despite federal laws. Yes, one of those states
4Opening the door to shoot people they don't even know but may not like.
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ETA to ranchers selling slots on their ranch for anyone to come in and hunt humans.
52You can bet your ass Kyle Rittenhouse would be begging his mom to drive him to Arizona.
26Bold of you to assume they aren't already
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https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedom_to_roam
It's important, I think, to remember that our nation, and much of civilization chooses to put property rights over human rights. Some nations do not, many of which are the happiest on Earth according to the world happiness index.
We choose, to be vindictive, petty, murderous monsters, many of which are willing to kill over their pile of crap, and some of which are extremely eager, going by their door signs, to kill over their pile of crap.
But Freedom to roam countries tend to be societies, whereas we're more of a burlap sack fillled with turds, Metaphorically speaking.
32pro life.
29How do you morally justify allowing yourself to kill other people? Where does that authority come from?
28It's been a while, but I do vaguely recall a footnote on the sixth commandment about how it doesn't count if you really don't like the person you are killing or something.
Same people who really insist that the bible and the ten commandments are the immutable word of god and that alone is a justification for things being illegal.
9Well the thing is that after the commandment to not kill thing, there come something like three whole books where that same god directly instructs his chosen people to commit one tribal genocide after another after another after another. There's even a cool story in there where he gives such an instruction and his chosen ones are like, "Nah, they have more people and better resources and we're going to all die if we try to genocide them." And that god says, "If you don't go kill them right now, I'll just kill you right here and now." And then within a book or so after that he's all, "Actually it's bad to kill again, starting... NOW!" Can't expect consistency or logic from people who think these are true stories.
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Republicans have wanted to hunt people for sport for ages. Also, they don't see them as "people" so they have no qualms about pulling the trigger.
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I'm a food delivery driver in rural AZ. This is horrifying.
16Yeah no, you are an ex food delivery driver. You just don't know it yet. By that I mean quit. Don't put yourself at risk for these people's sake. Tell the company they cannot pay you enough on hazard pay to justify working there anymore
8Time to move.
0Believe me, I'm gone the instant I can afford to. I've been trapped here basically my whole life.
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Remember the parable of the man who was beaten on the road to Damascus? In the New Republican Version, it ends with the Samaritan gunning him down from 100yds, just in case.
15Scene: The road to Damascus
Samaritan: laying on the ground, beaten and bloody
Repub: GET ON THE GROUND GET ON THE GROUND!!!!
Samaritan: lifts head slightly to see who is yelling
Repub: HE'S COMING RIGHT AT ME!! pew pew pew
Samaritan: dies
Repub: you guys all saw that right? He was coming right at me, I had to stand my ground! (from 100 yards away)
10what's hilarious about that (OG) parable was... it's original purpose.
some cultural context is important there; not rendering aid if it could be rendered was viewed every bit as much as stabbing a dude would have been. It was the only commandant that could have been broken by inaction.
now the merchant and the pharisee were both seen as righteous men. So as jesus was telling the story; everybody expected him to stop. When the merchant kept going by, everyone thought (more or less,) "oh, the pharisee had it."
When the Pharisee kept going... he was literally calling the rich fucks and their puppets (the pharisees) murderers. The point of the parable was that those two were worse than the "unclean" and broadly despised Samaritans. (which were viewed in very similar manner to how Trumpian broke-dicks view migrants seeking asylum, in point of fact.)
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Reminder that illegally crossing the border is only a misdemeanor.
11Where's the bill to remove everyone who's not a Native American from this stolen land? Oh, right.
9Wasn't but a few hours ago that I was telling someone elsewhere in the fediverse that food is a human right and directly causing famine (Palestine) is unacceptable use of human rights as weapons.
Fortunately, when Israel couldn't quite be offensive enough at that exact moment, Arizona sat up and said "Hold my beer, y'all!"
9There's some nuance here. INAL, but I'm reading that this bill would allow someone to confront a trespasser, far from home, yet on their property, and call it castle doctrine. If that's the case, I disagree mightily. Fuck around outside? That's for 911, even if they're far away. Don't care what you do outside, I'll wait on law enforcement. Inside? FAFO.
If passed, the change of “and” to “or” in state law would give a much broader defense to people who use deadly force, as property would only have to satisfy some of the requirements instead of all of them, said criminal defense attorney Jack Litwak. [emphasis mine]
“The idea with the Castle Doctrine is that you are supposed to be able to defend house and home,” he said.“This seems to broaden it to say you can shoot someone that’s just on your actual property.”
On the surface, this doesn't seem like much of a change. But I've seen cases revolve around seemingly minor details. Words have very specific meanings in law. Very specific.
Remember the guy who shot a YouTube bully who was fucking with him in a food court? And we all cheered him on? Here James Reeves, gun nut and attorney, breaks it down. Yes, being somewhat cheesy is part of his shtick. In any case, he's expert on both firearms and related law (ex-military and a practicing attorney.)
9Murder is against federal law.
but somehow, I get the feeling the spineless idiots running the show won't enforce it.
6Well, you have to admit, it's one way to ensure these republiQan dickhead office-holders will never set foot near the border again.
4When will it extend to 10" from wherever your car happens to be? I mean, why not right? The car is clearly more valuable as long as it isnt a sissy commie electric.
/s for sadcasm
4Not to ruin your day, but many castle doctrine states consider the car to be an extension of your home for self defense purposes.
2I guess that works out for any 2a people living out of their van down by the river.
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We aren't quickly becoming the Imperium, we're already there. The hottest and most abundant commodity is bodies, exploited to the last sinew. Whether your shot dead, or worked to death in dangerous conditions, you will serve. It is beyond time we've dealt with our demostic terrorism, the politicians that enable them, and the corporations that fund it all.
4I was just thinking the same thing a moment before I happened upon your comment. These guys just want to make 40k a reality but without all the things that make 40k great.
Wheres my Nurgle?
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In committee, Rep. Alex Kolodin, R-Scottsdale, praised the bill for protecting people who could be accused of using excessive force in these situations.
“This is a great Second Amendment bill, that is also protecting the rights of the accused to make sure we are taking ambiguity out of our law,” Kolodin said.
These people are absolute acorns.
4Carefull saying acorn, you wouldnt want to trigger any cops reading this. They might have a panic attack!
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What's the point into selling guns to people if you can't made an excuse to kill some unarmed brown people with them?
3Can I come take part as someone from a different state?
-9You can be the prey.
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