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Putin doesn't really want a war with NATO because 'Russia will lose and lose quickly,' UK military chief says

www.businessinsider.com Putin doesn't really want a war with NATO because 'Russia will lose and lose quickly,' UK military chief says

Russia would be seriously outclassed by NATO's land, sea, and air forces in a conflict and would lose fast, the UK's Admiral Sir Tony Radakin said.

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www.businessinsider.com /putin-doesnt-want-nato-war-russia-would-lose-quickly-uk-2024-2

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No one would win a war between NATO and Russia. No one.
- Disagree. I seriously doubt that anyone would turn the key. I don't think Russia could inflict enough losses to hurt NATO logistical operations and I think NATO would prioritize careful advancements to minimize casualties and give the Russian military a frog in the pot treatment. When they realize that its all over, it will be too late and I think we would see a russian revolution before then.
  
  Doesn’t matter the tactics used, its corrupt politians measuring their dicks by using regular people as pawns on a chessboard.
- I would win. In times of war, I become a gentleman thief and underworld figure who is useful to both sides.
  
  Is this a Third Man reference?
- NATO has half a million troops. The largest navy and air force in the world. I like their chances
  
  Both sides have enough nukes to kill the entire human race several times over.
  
  First, war is always a tragedy. Always. It is to be avoided until the reasonably plausible alternative is worse for human suffering. People who ignore this are asses (not saying you are one of them).
  Second, as long as it stays conventional and China stays on the sidelines, then yes of course NATO destroys the Russian military, or at least keeps it hemmed into existing Russian territory. That's been true for 30 years.
  Third, those are VERY big 'ifs'.
  
  Russia is coming up on its half a million cassualties milestone. Would be the perfect time for the NATO half million to step in.
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- The shareholders would absolutely win.
  
  Yes, for a brief moment
- if we are being honest, current russia couldnt stop china or US from taking over the far east if there were no nuclear weapons

The Lithuanian foreign minister sums up the response thus far very well here.
"We declare red lines for ourselves, but not for Russia. We publicly tie our own hands while leaving Putin free to pillage, rape and destroy. We create strategic transparency, not strategic ambiguity. It's time to change course."
- I know the Baltics have more skin in the game but I have to say politically they are playing an absolute blinder at the moment. Just hard spoken, no nonsense, absolute facts coming out of each of them along with such great support.
  Hats off to them.

Nobody wants a war between NATO and Russia because in that scenario, everybody loses.
Russia wouldn't win a ground conflict, but they'd sure-as-hell nuke the fuck out of every major city.
- That would be the end of Russia and they know it.
  
  It would also be the end of NATO and probably the rest of the world. That's why it's called mutually assured destruction. But it seems like recently policy makers are forgetting that

which is why he's actively pushing for trump to win so there is no more nato

nobody wins or loses. it's decades of civilian deaths and economic devastation, until someone decides to quit. people think everything is ww2 it's just not like that.
- Good job repeating russian propaganda.
  Edit: Not that I care about internet points.
  But the thought that opposing russia would lead to nuclear war is exactly what Putin wants people in the west to think to keep bullying and suppressing everyone around him.
  He is bluffing though and he knows it.
  He said delivering supplies to Ukraine was the red line.
  He didn't react when we did.
  He said delivering arms to Ukraine was the red line.
  He didn't react when we did.
  He said delivering tanks to Ukraine was the red line.
  He didn't react when we did.
  He said delivering planes to Ukraine was the red line.
  He didn't react when we did.
  Because he can't. He knows he would lose everything.
  
  Both parties have nukes
  
  russia has a massive population and a wartime economy. in some ways it's bigger than all the european nato countries combined. the idea that they would just fall over is absolutely western propaganda.
  putin can suck my balls but he's not an idiot.
- The weapons manufacturer win!
  
  Also, the west gets to get rid of the old weapons that would otherwise have to be destroyed, while also burning through Russia's materiel.
- China would win. China is supplying Russia but China is not an ally of Russia. China would stop Russia the moment it's no longer beneficial, which would be when NATO and Russia start fighting. China doesn't care who wins, they win either way. If Russia loses China can take eastern Russia. If NATO loses, China can take Taiwan. If both wipe each other out China becomes the sole superpower.
  
  Firstly, Pretty sure Russia's nuclear weapons work just as well against China as they do against the West. Barring a complete collapse of Russia, China isn't going to be taking vast swaths of Siberia, even if they wanted. They can take some already disputed territory (in fact the already have) because of Russia's current weakness. But that's about it.
  Secondly, it's no exaggeration that a conventional war between NATO and Russia would be over quickly. Ukraine with just a small percentage of NATO's air power could defeat Russia. With Russia in the weakened state it's in right now, it's likely just Poland alone could defeat Russia. The Full force of NATO? They'd be done in less than a week. But that's only if Russia doesn't use nukes. In which case see the previous, but then ask why would China want to invade a nuclear wasteland? Probably just be hunkering down and dealing with the fallout.
  Thirdly China doesn't currently have the capability to take and hold Taiwan. Likely fail even to invade. If they tried that now it would go about as well as Russia's attempt to invade Ukraine. Who knows, maybe Xi is as dumb as Putin, but I don't think so.
  Maybe in 10 years China might have the capability to make a move on Taiwan, but it's likely the whole Putin situation will be resolved long before then.
  
  I'd better get back to studying Mandarin.

Not only is this someone talking but it's talking about postulating about someone else's inner thoughts. Not an event, not a change. Not fucking news.

like I said Russia can barely handle shitting their own pants. they can't handle someone else shitting their pants too

This is the best summary I could come up with:
Russian President Vladimir Putin doesn't really want a conflict with NATO because in that scenario Russia would quickly lose, the head of the UK's armed forces said on Tuesday.
Speaking at an event in London, Admiral Sir Tony Radakin said that "the inescapable fact is that any Russian assault or incursion against NATO would prompt an overwhelming response."
Radakin, speaking at a defense conference in London's Chatham House, said the UK is "not on the cusp of war with Russia.
He said that the thousands of allied troops stationed in Poland and the Baltic states could draw on the "three-and-a-half million uniformed personnel across the alliance for reinforcement."
Referring to Sweden and Finland joining, he said NATO is growing from 30 to 32 nations, "with a collective GDP twenty times greater than Russia.
He added: "Russia's Army has lost nearly 3,000 tanks, nearly 1500 artillery pieces, and over 5,000 armored fighting vehicles."
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Russia vs NATO might actually be a three day operation, at least in terms of the clash of armies.
Of course Russia's nuclear arsenal is quite an effective deterrent.

News flash! One nation can't win vs the strongest military country of the world + an entire continent of it's allies!

I'm not entirely sure on that, because whatever intel he's getting fed on there war, has to be the best horseshit ever. I don't think that even Putin can ignore ~15.000 lost vehicles.
Meaning, he could very well believe he'd win.

We'd all die
- I've legitimately been curious about this. The nuclear arms race has been a threat for so long, do western countries really not have a mitigation strategy for them?
  I assume we could shoot down any intercontinental weapons, and any airplane that entered allied airspace would immediately be shot down before it could drop a nuke.
  
  You could probably shoot down 80% or maybe even 90%. But if the enemy launches a few hundred missiles at the same time then some might make it.
  
  Intercontinental nukes basically can't be shot down. This is because both sides can launch hundreds of rockets, each carrying multiple very small warheads. It's basically impossible to intercept.
  
  Let's say we do, wouldn't it be smarter as the government to keep the rumor up that we would indeed be screwed but on the day they decided to go nuclear we just laugh and show them our power?
  
  A 99% success rate for shooting down ICBMs would still be a catastrophic failure that would set us back hundreds of years.
  We're seeing it now in the middle eat and Ukraine. US Air Defense equipment is the best in the world but not impenetrable.
  Not even considering that a nuclear submarine can just surface off the coast and destroy the nearest city.
  
  Issue is that multiple countries have systems where it's, "They launched nukes? We'll launch all our nukes"
  The mitigation is basically, "We will wipe you off the map if we think even ONE nuke is coming at us," and this has nearly happened several times, only stopped because the system has a human at the final step, and humans when realizing they could end the world seem to hesitate

When you have a madman threatening nuclear confrontation, when does the probability of a first strike that might prevent significant retaliation have fewer megadeaths than being the victim of a first strike? This is the problem with sustained nuclear sabre rattling. What if its taken seriously?

Whomever wipes Putin off the planet gets a blowjob.

Vova will start chucking nukes around and blame the west if he gets in a losing position.

Rhetoric is spinning up, and there's apparently more people on here that like the idea of a literal third world war than are against it. Manufacturing consent really is the name of the game.

Pretty sure NATO is going to be tested. After Ukraine. He'll build up his forces on a board and see what happens. If there isn't a NATO build up response, I worry he'll push over that boarder. Then what? We going to nuke him? No, we won't. Partly because Putin has got friends in high places in the West. If we didn't ready a traditional response, we could be salami sliced while we debate when to nuclearly respond.
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Nowdays being a clown is really well paid

From the same people that claimed the Ukraine issue would be resolved in a few weeks, and Russia days from defeat dozens of times since it started. Putin has cancer and wont survive much longer, Russia was using WWII shovels to fight. NATO and the US doesnt want to win war, they want to prolong it. The MIC doesnt want to win war, they want to prolong it.
- Why would they want to prolong it?
  
  To drain Russia and prevent internal instability through a sudden end.
  
  Because of some Lemmy leftie conspiracy theory.
  
  Because this war brings in shit ton of money for way too many people around the world. The only ones suffering are Ukrainians. Heck, even North Korea got their economy booming! 2022 and early 2023 were tough, but oh boy the war profits started rolling in!
  
  It's making them richer than they already are.

Let's exercise to defuse the situation instead. This guy like the kid at school who shouts "fight fight fight" at school!
- You know what would defuse the situation? Russia getting the fuck out of Ukraine for starters!
  
  Dont worry if there is going to be ww3 you will be able to tell it the Russians yourself.
  
  Please volunteer at the front line 😀
  
  Dont worry if there is going to be ww3 you will be able to tell it the Russians yourself.

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