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Pope says Ukraine should have 'courage of the white flag' of negotiations

https:// www.reuters.com /world/europe/pope-says-ukraine-should-have-courage-white-flag-negotiations-2024-03-09/

Ukraine @sopuli.xyz Pope says Ukraine should have 'courage of the white flag' of negotiations

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I love how mad this is making people.

He's the Pope. Obviously he's going to want peace. What the hell do people expect? He doesn't care if land is Russian or Ukrainian as long as people stop dying. The geopolitics of the situation are simply not part of his ideology.

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- Interesting that he chooses to say the people having a genocide done on them need to surrender (which they've literally done and been shot anyway btw) and not the perpetrators of said genocide needing to stop.
  
  Probably because the Pope is and always has been a piece of shit
  
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  Interesting that he chooses to say the people having a genocide done on them need to surrender
  
  Huh he didnt say this about the people in Gaza, what are you talking about?
  
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  War crimes like the forcible transfer of children (i.e. genocide) are for the ICJ to deal with. As a religious leader his prerogative is to reduce suffering and death, by whatever means necessary.
  
  More importantly, Russia can keep this up far longer than Ukraine and he doesn't want us to fight to the last Ukrainian.
  
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  You have to remember though, this "genocide is anything when our enemies do bad things" concept of genocide is limited to Western ultra-nationalists like yourself. Obviously someone like the pope isn't going to see it in those terms.
  
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  Well, if Pope is called "piece of shit" for calling to negotiations to prevent more people dying, then who are you, who's ok with war going on? Entire shit?
  
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  It's like asking the people of Gaza to 'just surrender', when the clear goal of Netanjahu is to create as much suffering as possible.
  
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- The moral compass of your average liberal is so fucked up the idea that people should die in large quantities for property is normal to them.
  
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- This only makes sense under the assumption that if the land becomes Russian, the dying will stop. And that's not guaranteed. Dropping down from dying to violence - that's probably guaranteed to occur for a while if the land becomes Russian.
  
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  Why wouldn't the dying stop? Russia is going to need as many workers as possible to rebuild and make up for military losses, on top of the preexisting population stagnation that was already dwindling their workforce. The worst case scenario imo is population transfer, and that's not good, but I don't see Russia being able or willing to waste a population boost from Ukraine.
  
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Ah shit the goddamned Pope is a Russian troll

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- Or maybe people that think Ukraine should negotiate are actually just normal people that can analyze facts...
  
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Yeah, he's old and didn't use the happiest words.. but the Vatican clarified he didn't mean "unconditional surrender" and instead only meant "negotiate a peace deal".

AFAIU (and also AFAIC - "as far as I care") It's not entirely clear yet if the Pope suggests that Ukraine should give up territory in exchange for peace (and what about reparations?) or if he just means "be good people and make peace" (which would be much more in line with how he usually talks). I don't think whatever the Pope thinks will really be of much consequence given how geopolitically relevant this war is ("The Pope? How many divisions has he got?")

This whole news/argument serves as great marketing for the TV program where the the interview will be broadcasted (which I'd assume is not unintentional)

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The pope can get fucked.

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- More blood for the blood god as long as it's not your blood right?
  
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  Would you care to elaborate on what you mean by that?
  
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- Lol
  
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I wonder if he would say the same thing if Russia attacked the Vatican.

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- Do you really think that's a realistic scenario worth considering...?
  
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  Of course not, he's trying to make the point that it's easy to tell someone to surrender and give their enemy everything if it's not your thing.
  
  Would you surrender half your country to Russia?
  
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