Rule of being a free speech absolutist

That's great grandma, now let's get you to the bottom of the ocean. (sadly not original content)

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congrats elon on coming out 🏳‍🌈🏳‍🌈🏳‍🌈🏳‍🌈🏳‍🌈

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I would be very interested in a plot graph mapping out the number of instances of transphobic rhetoric coming from Elon from before and after Grimes left him for Chelsea Manning.

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Or his trans daughter changing her last name and basically telling him to go to hell.

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IIRC he actually did twat some vaguely transphobic things soon after that.

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Nah, its not a slur until the kids on xbox live start using it

But they won't. Calling someone cis as an insult online doesnt have the same impact

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Using Cis when using voice will always be confused with Sis, as in sister. That's gonna sound very interesting as a non-insult.

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I would love to know where that road leads.

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- "screw you, you were camping and I should have won that, cheater [long rant of slurs]" "Yeah well I bet you're a cisgender. Cis. I bet you're cis" "...what?"
  
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How can it even be a slur? I don't get it. People may use gay or trans or as an insult. But that doesn't make it a slur right. So how this word can?

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It's a good thing free speech is legal on Twitter, huh, Elon?

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We need to come up with a slur for billionaires...

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Billionaire is already a slur.

No one makes that much money without screwing over and abusing other people. There are no ethical billionaires.

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"rich fuckface"

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Parasites?

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I just call them oligarchs, which already has a negative connotation

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- And also is completely accurate. Mainstream media, mainstream politicians and others who are members of the big club want you to think that only Eastern Europe and parts of Asia (not the parts they have lucrative business with) are mostly controlled by a few rich people.
  
  The reality is that the US has more than a third of the world's billionaires in spite of having only 5% of the population and those billionaires and the rest of the. 1% ABSOLUTELY are oligarchs that control the country much more than any elected officials.
  
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Mr. "Free speech absolutist" over here. LMFAO

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He has some similarities to the libertarian morons

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I think he just is one

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Right, don't kill me for asking, but what's wrong with libertarianism? Or who are the libertarian morons? Honest question.

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- Libertarianism upholds whatever the current power structure is and offers no redress for those with less power. Free market libertarianism is just unchecked capitalism.
  
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- Selfish idiots who want to earn all advantages of society but don't want to contribute anything. (Like Musk, who was a subsidy queen for years, but has suddenly discovered his love for a minimal state, or David Sacks, also a big fan of libertarianism, except when in dire need for a bailout from Silicon Valley Bank)
  
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- It sounds absolutely great in theory, but in practice it could never work.
  
  Say I want to build a house: As a society, we've come up with mandatory building codes that tell me how to build a house that's going to be safe for everyone.
  
  Suppose we got rid of this regulation for libertarianism's sake.
  
  Most people would still build to code because that's just the smart thing to do but a small proportion of people would build it the cheapest way possible because it is now their god-given right to do so.
  
  When that house inevitably fails at the worst possible time, I don't care too much about what happens to the guy himself. He understood the risk and did it anyways. But in a worst case scenario, he could've been hosting a kids party that day or something.
  
  Now apply this analogy to.. Basically any regulation you'd want to get rid of.
  
  It's kind of always a balancing act between stopping people from killing each other from sheer stupidity, and letting them do and say whatever the fuck they want when they're between their own four walls, and pure libertarianism doesn't allow for that.
  
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- Have a look at the reading list for right libertarians at "The Political Compass" https://www.politicalcompass.org/libRightBooks and you will be be to come to your own view. You might want to take the Political Compass test.
  
  I found this article on what happened when a town became a Libertarian experiment interesting - https://newrepublic.com/article/159662/libertarian-walks-into-bear-book-review-free-town-project
  
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In my country (Spain) there is an organization called "Centre for Sociological Research", which in Spanish it's called "Centro de Investigaciones Sociológicas" (best known as CIS).

So, is that name also a slur, according to the free speech absolutist? What about politicians and journalists who talk about its surveys?

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Elon is too busy being angry at trans people to see all this nuance you’re just throwing out there. You think he has time to consider what people are saying or that other people have thoughts and feelings?

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- I think the free speech absolutist is full of bullshit, and there has to be ways to troll him, like redditors did with spez.
  
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Silencing the speech of a bunch of sociologists is probably a bonus for him

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Big words coming from the wing nut who fucked over his “platform”.

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This dude is a real fuckin tool.

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sweet, now I have a slur for my dad when he calls me a faggot

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Wait a second, this was posted a month ago and has no engagement but I'm seeing it here now?

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Latin is hate speech :((((

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I take pride in Elon Musk thinking my existence is a slur.

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Damn cisgenders, cissing around this damn thread. One tried to cis me out of my gender.

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It's okay for me to call myself cisgender, because I've reclaimed the slur <s>

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I see nothing wrong with that

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I will never understand how the word cis or cisgender is a slur. If your a cisgender then you are literally a cisgender. I am a cisgender male, plane and simple

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They consider themselves the "default" aka the only ones who are not "the others" and thus not wrong about everything up to and including existing.

They are also snowflakes who can't cope with their bigoted worldview being questioned in any way without playing the innocent martyr, so anything that implies that their perspective isn't the only legitimate one is considered viciously evil.

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“Would you pass me the oar, cisgender Jim?”

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Highly recommend checking the full article too, it's fantastic!

https://hard-drive.net/hd/video-games/huge-news-for-gamers-elon-musk-has-invented-a-new-slur/

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Oh my god that’s amazing thank you

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Elon is a fuck nugget.

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cissy

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It's fair to consider them as slurs. If my memory serves me correctly, they are almost always used with a negative connotation or in a context describing "cis-people" as doing something bad. Elon is merely stating the obvious.

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May as well call white a slur because, if my memory serves me correctly, people who aren't white almost always use it with a negative connotation describing "white-people" as doing something bad.

/s

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your memory does not serve you correctly. Cis is a descriptor, it just means someone whose body and gender identity match. that's like saying straight is a slur.

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Agreed, but if Elon wants free speech he should allow the use of those slurs. Not that I think that wouldnt be chaotic, but Elon is being hypocritical here

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Idk, in relevant situations I have no problem calling myself cis. Just because a very small number of people are broadly hostile towards cis people doesn't make the word a slur. Cissy perhaps, but I still say meh to that because I just can't be bothered to be offended by it.

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Interesting, I've only ever seen it mean "not trans"

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- Agreed. I've no idea what u/vegantomato@lemmy.world is talking about. I'm pretty sure I've personally never seen it used as a slur. What I've seen is people not knowing what it means and assuming it's one of them there evil genders, so maybe some people think it's meant as a slur, but imo that says more about their ignorance than the word itself.
  
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Not sure if we have an agreed definition on slur, so I agree it can be used in an insulting context like a lot of words can be. But I doubt that you are qualified to say almost always, the internet and even just twitter is a big place. If you feel that way, that probably reflects more on the kinds of conversations you see or participate in (not an attack, just I personally don't like reading heated threads and don't use twitter)

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- Admittedly, it is anecdotal. But I'm clearly not alone in holding this sentiment. If enough people from varying backgrounds make these observations then it's fair to eventually consider these as slurs. I'm arguing that we have reached this point.
  
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I don't know what these words actually mean and I don't like them.

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The Latin prefix cis- , meaning "on this side of", which is the opposite of the prefix trans- . So a cisgender person is someone whose gender identity matches the sex assigned to them at birth - I.e. someone who is not transgender.

They're value neutral words and are useful words to have. For example, if I wanted to make the point that not everyone who cares about trans rights or gender issues are transgender, I could point to myself, as a cisgender woman.

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He never claimed to be an absolutist. He never planned in allowing things like vioent threats, for example.

And he's right about those terms - they are used as slurs to shut down discussion. It's a quick and easy way to belittle someone and trivialize their argument.

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The only people who think cis is a slur are the ones who use trans as a slur.

They think any descriptor but "normal" is a slur because anyone who isn't cis, hetero, and white is seen as lesser by them.

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He never claimed to be an absolutist.

Here he is making that exact claim in 2022 before deleting it once it became inconvenient

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No.

Anyway, how do I report a comment?

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blue check is a slur 😤

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