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Jacksonville shooter who targeted Black shoppers had swastikas drawn on rifle

www.nbcnews.com Jacksonville shooter who targeted Black shoppers had swastikas drawn on rifle

The shooter, a white man, killed three people after writing messages of hatred for Black people. He killed himself after opening fire in a dollar store.

A white gunman fatally shot three Black people in hate-motivated shooting at a Dollar General retailer in Jacksonville on Saturday afternoon, Sheriff T.K. Waters said.

"This shooting was racially motivated, and he hated Black people," the sheriff said at a news conference. "He wanted to kill n------."

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👈 trump effect did this

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- Violent racism isn't a product of Trump. Trump is a product of violent racism.
  
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  I think there's an argument to be .ade for it being a positive feedback loop
  
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  Chicken or egg. One existed before but the other gave it a platform and kept it alive. I hope it changes in a decade.
  
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  Fuck off, trump has done more to bring racism and fascism to the forefront than anyone else in recent history.
  
  Racism, sexism and bigotry have gotten bolder in his wake, we’ve seen violence in his name, pelosi’s husband for example, as well as violence for other conservative beliefs like white replacement theory bullshit which absolutely was pushed by trumps friends like tucker (who famously hates his guts)
  
  But yeah go on, trump is just a product of his environment :(. He holds no accountability I guess
  
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“This was, quite frankly, a maniac who decided he wanted to take lives,”

~~Copycat shooter with a manifesto, armed with the usual kit: A plate carrier, an AR-15, and a Glock.~~

While I can see this is a racially motivated shooting, I think this pattern indicates some deeper... suicidal, martyrdom ideology. The intent includes the suicide. It's suicidally motivated, too. These plans include the repetitive messaging of a newsfeed marching down the list of mass shootings by scared whitr supremacists. Racial killing, suicide, manifesto, and the date makes it a copycat killing. Is he truly a maniac, if so many are falling into this same set of cowardly cries for help?

~~I feel no sympathy for the dead shooter. But I stare into the abyss, feeling I must empathize with the scared white supremacist who does this next.~~

~~Stochastic Terrorism (wiki)~~

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- Killing three random dudes in a Dollar General isn't going to "save the white race". This guy's plan is either evidence he was so dumb we're better off without him in the gene pool, or was intended to kick-start the race war they want so badly. I refuse to feel sorry for him in either case. I'm not taking the high road. Fuck this guy.
  
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  Yeah my best guess here is the possibility of someone being suicidal anyway and deciding to commit a hate crime to go out as some sort of half-assed martyr, or as some idiot that spent too long on the message boards and decided to "defend America" by committing a hate crime. Either way, an idiot that has signed a receipt for "I won't be missed"
  
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- I must empathize with the scared white supremacist who does this next.
  
  Really?! What the fuck?
  
  Conservatives do not empathize with you. They see empathy as a weakness to exploit. Do not empathize with them unless you'd like to become their next victim.
  
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  You can empathize with someone without being exploited by them. I empathize with prisoners suffering in solitary confinement because I consider it inhumane. That doesn't mean I'm going to allow myself to be attacked by a murderous psychopath without defending myself.
  
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  Empathy is not agreement or defense, it's understanding. Refusing to empathize is refusing to find a solution. Stop being part of the problem.
  
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  You've just accidentally said you see empathy as a weakness too
  
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  Yeah if youve ever had a job surrounded by a lot of conservatives you will quickly find out how correct you are. Peoppe that dont grow out of middle school become conservatives.
  
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  The only possible way to try to prevent it is to try and talk them down before hand.
  
  I mean, aside from the obvious gun legislation that won't happen
  
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- Fuck em. Let them all suicide their way out. As long as they stop taking innocent people with them, they can die in agony in a ditch as far as I’m concerned. The time for sympathy is over.
  
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  But the problem is they don't stop. And they're being encouraged to kill.
  
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  It's shameful of me to have missed this detail.
  
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- he was out of his mind with FEAR.. nothing else..
  
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  You're probably not wrong. Conservatives have been shown to have a larger amygdala, yielding a greater reaction to fear and disgust.
  
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  Not sure why the downvotes, I think you're right, fear is at the source of this muderous behaviour. This is the meaning carried by the "phobia" in "negrophobia", " homophobia", etc. These people feel their very existence is threatened by their victims : they've been indoctrinated into thinking their "race" or "culture" are driven to extinction by other people. So yes, it's absolutely fear.
  
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The list of violent right-wing extremist violence is is growing very long.

All this fanned by right-wing media and foreign agents like Russia.

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OH BOY ANOTHER LONE WOLF! CAN'T FUCKING MOVE FOR LONE WOLVES AROUND HERE!

If you ever wondered what you would do in Germany in the 30s, you're doing it right now.

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- Which is head-in-the-sand, "I can't do anything about it because the other side is the problem."
  
  Fascism takes over gradually, like frogs in a pot of water slowly heating.
  
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  fun fact: if you try to actually boil a frog, it jumps out of the pot. frogs aren't that dumb.
  
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Just another Trumper with a gun, who lived in his parents' house.

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Veritable pack of lone wolves, amirite?

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Florida is full of Nazis. Pretty much every biker bar in Florida is home to white supremacists. You couldn't get me to visit Florida for anything.

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I love it that Nazis are too damn stupid to give their allies plausible deniability and keep covering everything in swaztikas.

The Allen Texas mall shooter was a great example - the right wing media tried arguing he was Hispanic, and that he wasn't right-wing - his huge swaztika tattoos were a false flag... That he wore for years. Even your average Fox viewer isn't buying that.

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- I have some bad news for you about the average Fox viewer.
  
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  That they're morons (I know), or that even those morons see through the bullshit (they seem to in this case, but I may be wrong).
  
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- He didn't actually die, it was all staged, and the tattoos were the temporary ink tattoos.
  
  This is sarcasm but maybe I shouldn't give the conspiracy theorists any more ideas.
  
  The most ridiculous part is how self-contradictory the right wing media explanations get. Like he's a false flag to make right wing white nationalists look bad, but simultaneously he's an example of how dangerous Hispanic immigrants are. Firehouse of misinformation - hopefully something sticks, right!?
  
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  Poe's law is what it is I guess...
  
  The contradiction is no accident though - it's a necessary element of fascism - the enemy must always be both pathetically weak and an existential threat.
  
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The sheriff just casually dropped the N word in this press conference?

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- Yes, he’s Black, and he said that it was the only time he was going to say it. I feel like it’s his prerogative to decide when he can say that in response to an attack on his community.
  
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- When said by the right person in the right context, that word can go from a word used to attack the innocent to a word used to condemn the racist.
  
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  I found it entirely unncecsary. I don’t think anyone needed some southern white cop to tell us this piece of shit wanted to “kill n”. WE FUCKING KNOW, how does using the n word help AT ALL??????
  
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- Well, this isn't what I expected him to look like.
  
  https://news.wjct.org/first-coast/2022-11-22/sheriff-t-k-waters-sets-new-agenda-for-jso
  
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- Props.
  
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The shooter was clearly driven to violence by socioeconomic hardship

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- Also, the gun had nothing to do with it. It was because our country does nothing about the mental health crisis.
  
  What? Government subsidized mental health care? What are you, a commie?
  
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- You think you’re clever but you’re just an asshole. Keep defending fucking nazi terrorists, scum.
  
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  It's a joke on how white mass shooters are portrayed as victims of society instead of as terrorists
  
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  c/whooosh
  
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  It was Sarcasm bro, clearly sarcasm.
  
  You just did some epic level friendly fire
  
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  Back reddit with gutter sludge like you
  
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- @Maajmaaj I think you're right. Stay sober though. check out reddit r/liberalgunowners there is a huge amount of information for those thinking about becoming armed.
  
  @MicroWave
  
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  Not a matter of right or wrong. The statistics are clear about the risks.
  
  Gun in your home = more likely to shoot a family member than an intruder.
  
  Gun on person = more likely to be the victim of a violent crime.
  
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- A gun is unlikely to make you much safer in public. It will significantly increase your risk for gun related injury or death in your own home. A concealed weapon in public opens you up to liability, as well as an easy excuse for any police to murder you if they discover your gun before you can completely submit and follow their often confusing and conflicting orders. An unconcealed gun just makes you a higher profile target for an armed maniac like in the article and also the police. The statistics just don't support the idea in general that getting a gun ever makes anyone any safer from gun violence.
  
  I understand your motivation to protect yourself and I support your right to do so through responsible and informed gun ownership. Go take the prerequisite gun safety classes first. Go find a range that will let you shoot with their equipment. Start the process of getting a gun with as much education and experience as you can. Read the about the statistics of gun violence, paying attention to where the funding for each paper comes from. Read up on your rights, but also train yourself on how to deal with police encounters, now that you're going to be the thing most police are pants passingly afraid of. This will help in dealing with police even when your not armed. If you're not already going to therapy, make it a regular part of your gun maintenance. If you and the gun will be living with anyone old enough to grasp objects and understand language, make sure they go to gun safety classes also. If you have children that will have friends over know that a lock is not enough to keep kids safe (gun locks are notoriously easy to bypass), they all need age appropriate gun safety education.
  
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  There was one guy in a mall that saved some people once. Out of all the guns.
  
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- Angry white men should not be the only ones in our society with guns. If you can own and carry one safely, you should at least seriously consider it.
  
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Did that fucking sheriff seriously use the n word in damn press release…. What the fuck????

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- Yeah. I don't understand it even in context.
  
  "This shooting was racially motivated, and he hated Black people," the sheriff said at a news conference. "He wanted to kill n------. "That's the one and only time I'll use that word," Waters said, referring to the racial slur.
  
  Like, what??? Why use it even that "one and only" time?
  
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  I imagine it's a quote from the manifesto. So he said it to drive home the clarity of the hate.
  
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  As a rural American it's weird seeing a black guy say it.
  
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  Imo, he might consider himself and his, different from the victims that were targeted. THEY were ninjas, not him.
  
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Huh, I wonder if he was Antifa or not.

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  Many right wing conservatives try to claim the horrible shit their own people do was actually a false flag attack planned by Antifa. Like they did with the January 6th insurrection.
  
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Just save time and give him a urinal instead of a gravestone.

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White supremes are gross.

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- Sounds like some Albino tomato species.
  
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Rest in hell

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Typical modern conservative. Waffling between keeping up the act or full mask-off racism.

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3 fatalities doesn't even qualify as a mass killing.

How sad is that?

The mass killing in Ohio on the 24th qualifies though.

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DeSantis called it "a cowardly act" which seems like the weirdest way to talk about a shooting like this.

Almost as if he's saying it wasn't brave enough and that the shooter should have done more.

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Shit. I live in Jacksonville and this is the first I heard of it. This is insane

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I watched some of the security cam. The kid walks weirdly. Like he looks like he's stomping his feet.

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"Economic anxiety"

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At least he spared the state of Florida his tenure on death row.

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I was gonna say the world is shit, but it’s really mostly an us thing. We suck.

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- There is no “we” about this. It’s all them.
  
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  Modern society - we should make sure guns become a relic of the past, that way everyone is safer
  
  Meanwhile ITT - https://lemmy.ca/comment/2595908
  
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