Please, for the love of God, VOTE!

saw someone say maybe another trump win is good because it will mobilize the left a little more

threw up in my mouth a bit through the tears

Majority of People: I want a pony.

Candidate 1: I'm going to kill all the ponies.

Candidate 2: I won't do that, and will try to make ponies more affordable (because price-fixing the cost of ponies is not within my constitutional powers)

Leftist: "But that's not good enough! I want a free pony. And a blowjob. I'm voting 3rd party 😤"

Already had a tankie tell me they're voting 3rd party.

Putin thanks them while Ukrainians and Palestinians weep.

This is going to happen every election for the foreseeable future. Trump is not a illness he's a symptom. Eventually a right winger is going to win because we're stuck voting for a party that often ignores their constituents for business interests. That's how we got Trump in the first place and the DNC learned nothing.

All the while we could vote third party like in most healthy democracies but we can't because neither of the major parties want a third party and voters are to cowardly to vote 3rd party because "they won't win anyway" even when they actually represent what they want in a on policy. See Nader and Bernie

Fact is neither Democrat or Republican is going to attempt to change s system that actively benefits them, especially in the higher positions of authority. The fact that voting 3rd party is considered throwing away your vote should be more embarrassing to Americans as a whole.

It's not that they are ok with Trump. They are just unhappy with both candidates. With that being said I do plan on voting for the Biden because while I don't agree with him on everything I know that he won't turn the country into a fascist dictatorship like Trump. The fact that this asshole is still legally allowed to run is insane.

Edit: I change my mind. After seeing Bidens debate performance it is pretty obvious that he is going to lose. Unless if the Democrats replace Biden with a candidate who can actually speak. I will be voting for Jill Stein instead.

Edit 2: Turns out Biden dropped out. I will now vote for whoever the democratic nominee is but after this election I will be voting 3rd party from now on.

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Please, for the love of god, be good enough to vote for.

Please vote. I don't live in the US but this election is likely to impact the safety of my family.

Leftists who won't vote are saying:

"Making a political statement is worth not only having Trump for president for the next four years, but living under a Trump for the rest of my life or fighting another world war to escape it."

"I'm so mad at the current president for doing genocide that I'm going to stand down and tacitly support his other opponent to do genocide instead."

Whether you blame Biden and the DNC, or the “left” voters for not voting hard enough; if Trump wins, it won’t matter. Get over yourself and try to build allies instead of destroying support.

Majority in U.S. Now Disapprove of Israeli Action in Gaza

But both sides

I'm childish enough that I'm irritated at my comment here being removed. Here's the comment, which also applies to this meme:

You know that weak support for Hindenburg's party was what let Hitler come to power, right?

Not that I agree that Biden is a lesser evil, but even within those parameters, there's an absolutely glaring flaw in bringing up Nazi Germany while making the case that voting for the lesser evil is a bad idea

And when he asked for clarification:

My point is that the holocaust that gave rise to Niemöller's quote in the first place happened because of weakened resistance from the SPD (the establishment left), which wasn't getting support from the far-left of its day because it wasn't left enough. When as a result the fascist party gained control, it put all the far-left people in camps, outlawed the SPD, and began killing people by the millions. Which in retrospect made the complaint that the establishment left wasn't left enough to support, even against literal Hitler, seem short sighted.

Mod banned me. 🙂

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There are those that see things drifting away from their priorities and their wants and needs. They've tried working within the system, but the system always makes things worse. Of course people like that will be tempted to "burn it all down" and start anew, or at least throw a wrench in the cogs and stop progress.

We should focus on convincing them that 'progress' is better for them - and if it isn't, maybe we shouldn't support it as well. Unless it is an issue of justice, then of course not letting people 'get away with it' is worse for those people.

@FenrirIII god doesnt exist. for the love of Humanity, VOTE!

Did the first thread not work out the way ya wanted it to go?

https://lemmy.world/post/13670700

Reposting what I commented there:

Switching away from first past the post voting allows people to vote for who represents them best while still counting their vote against those they dont want to win. Just search for videos on FPTP voting if you want an explanation on how and why the spoilereffect exists that makes third parties not viable.

Electoral reform is possible in each individual state (for now), we dont need federal reform! Maine and Alaska have already passed electoral reform.

So what’s the hold up with the rest of the states? Consider starring a campaign to change how we vote in your own state! Force our representatives to compete with fresh outside ideas. We deserve the best representation, not excuses.

Nothings changed. This is still (IMO) the way forward. Who could possibly say no to more democracy?

Ah yes. Its the leftists fault that Biden is running his campaign and his presidency in such a way as to cause people to not want to vote for him.

It really does feel awful. Either vote for an old geezer who keeps sending weapons to a terrorist state committing a genocide, or an orange old geezer who will do all that but will also be an authoritarian dictator. Like what the fuck is even going on anymore. Something has to give.

How many times does this meme have to get posted until people realize it's not changing any votes lol

Trump respect your right to NOT VOTE against him. 👍

If Biden loses, that's his and the DNC's loss. It's up to them to field a candidate that people want to vote for. It's not up to the voters to go along with whatever the DNC feels like they want. I will be voting Biden because it's too important. If he loses, I will blame him for running, not the voters. The polling was clear, undeclared Democrat polled much higher than Biden, but for some reason he has main character complex and thought he was the only one that could beat Trump when in reality he might be the only person that can lose to Trump.

Replace "Leftists who won't vote" with "Democrats who purposely lie about leftists by claiming anyone who isn't voting for Biden isn't voting at all" and you'd have an accurate meme.

Dems claim to be antifascist but will take Trump 2: Electric Boogaloo LONNNGGGGG before they ever consider making concessions to anybody left of mid right Genocide Joe.

Who can we vote for that's not trump or Biden?

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I don't understand how you think not stopping a genocide is the same as aiding or committing a genocide.

If you really think those two things are the same dude, you got to look hard in the mirror.

Liberals: "We don't need your votes anyway." Also "Liberals please vote, don't protest and don't criticize Joe Biden or you're helping Trump"

Do people not get that Biden is eradicating the Democratic party's leftist and progressive organization and overall electoral future with his policies?

Local and state elected democrats are facing backlash from a) a genocide and b) massive Israeli lobby primarying every single elected official who isn't cheering on said genocide.

Every single progressive and leftist politician in office is facing a choice: be run out of office or flip on your constituents like Fetterman. Very few are taking the most suicidal political position in America: not supporting Israeli.

Freak out on people criticisizing Biden but those who politically organize should generally see how ignorant these arguments are that ignore the ramifications of policy beyond presidential elections.

VOOOOOOOOOOOOOT

Fuck the fascists and the libs

Oh wow, Biden didn't actively help the genociders one time!!!! Wow! That's certainly means that he has an actively been helping them this entire time. Dude grow up.

This is like watching a bunch of people with Stockholm Syndrom trying to convince each other than one of the people keeping them imprisioned is a good guy and it's the other that's a bad guy.

There is no solution to the problems of the US via the traditional political parties, only via civil society movements and even those given the almost-dictatorship-level of civil society surveillance in the US, are under surveillance and are often subverted.

Let me give you a word of the philosophy of reform. The whole history of the progress of human liberty shows that all concessions yet made to her august claims have been born of earnest struggle. The conflict has been exciting, agitating, all-absorbing, and for the time being, putting all other tumults to silence. It must do this or it does nothing. If there is no struggle there is no progress. Those who profess to favor freedom and yet deprecate agitation are men who want crops without plowing up the ground; they want rain without thunder and lightning. They want the ocean without the awful roar of its many waters.

This struggle may be a moral one, or it may be a physical one, and it may be both moral and physical, but it must be a struggle. Power concedes nothing without a demand. It never did and it never will. Find out just what any people will quietly submit to and you have found out the exact measure of injustice and wrong which will be imposed upon them, and these will continue till they are resisted with either words or blows, or with both.

We are sadly mistaken if we feel that the election of Albert Boutwell as mayor will bring the millennium to Birmingham. While Mr. Boutwell is a much more gentle person than Mr. Connor, they are both segregationists, dedicated to maintenance of the status quo. I have hope that Mr. Boutwell will be reasonable enough to see the futility of massive resistance to desegregation. But he will not see this without pressure from devotees of civil rights. My friends, I must say to you that we have not made a single gain in civil rights without determined legal and nonviolent pressure. Lamentably, it is an historical fact that privileged groups seldom give up their privileges voluntarily. Individuals may see the moral light and voluntarily give up their unjust posture; but, as Reinhold Niebuhr has reminded us, groups tend to be more immoral than individuals.

I must make two honest confessions to you, my Christian and Jewish brothers. First, I must confess that over the past few years I have been gravely disappointed with the white moderate. I have almost reached the regrettable conclusion that the Negro’s great stumbling block in his stride toward freedom is not the White Citizen’s Counciler or the Ku Klux Klanner, but the white moderate, who is more devoted to “order” than to justice; who prefers a negative peace which is the absence of tension to a positive peace which is the presence of justice; who constantly says: “I agree with you in the goal you seek, but I cannot agree with your methods of direct action”; who paternalistically believes he can set the timetable for another man’s freedom; who lives by a mythical concept of time and who constantly advises the Negro to wait for a “more convenient season.”

Go tell Biden to stop supporting Genocide instead of trying to apologize for it.

Like I said months ago, he stops the Genocide or he will lose.

You know what would be better than trying to convince people to vote for the lesser of two evils? Fucking striking and rioting until you don't have to.

Fuck this election, don't pay taxes until you have a democracy worth paying for.

Sure I'm going to go to the third party. I recommend you all do the same unless you're in a swing state. Dr. West and Claudia de La Cruz are actual good candidates.

But haven't you heard? Not voting is an opportunity for lefty radicalization!

*Edit: go ahead and downvote Malcom X, you cowards.

Twenty-two million black victims of Americanism are waking up and they are gaining a new political consciousness, becoming politically mature. And as they become… Develop this political maturity, they’re able to see the recent trends in these political elections. They see that the whites are so evenly divided that every time they vote, the race is so close they have to go back and count the votes all over again. Which means that any block, any minority that has a block of votes that stick together is in a strategic position. Either way you go, that’s who gets it. You’re in a position to determine who’ll go to the White House and who’ll stay in the doghouse.

You’re the one who has that power. You can keep Johnson in Washington D.C., or you can send him back to his Texas cotton patch. You’re the one who sent Kennedy to Washington. You’re the one who put the present Democratic administration in Washington, D.C. The whites were evenly divided. It was the fact that you threw 80 percent of your votes behind the Democrats that put the Democrats in the White House.

When you see this, you can see that the Negro vote is the key factor. And despite the fact that you are in a position to be the determining factor, what do you get out of it? The Democrats have been in Washington, D.C. only because of the Negro vote. They’ve been down there four years. And they’re… All other legislation they wanted to bring up they’ve brought it up, and gotten it out of the way, and now they bring up you. And now they bring up you! You put them first and they put you last. Because you’re a chump! A political chump.

In Washington, D.C., in the House of Representatives there are 257 who are Democrats. Only 177 are Republican. In the Senate there are 67 Democrats. Only 33 are Republicans. The party that you backed controls two-thirds of the House of Representatives and the Senate and still they can’t keep their promise to you. Because you’re a chump.

Any time you throw your weight behind a political party that controls two-thirds of the government, and that party can’t keep the promise that it made to you during election-time, and you’re dumb enough to walk around continuing to identify yourself with that party, you’re not only a chump but you’re a traitor to your race.

These Northern Democrats are in cahoots with the southern Democrats. They’re playing a giant con game, a political con game. You know how it goes. One of them comes to you and make believe he’s for you. And he’s in cahoots with the other one that’s not for you. Why? Because neither one of them is for you. But they got to make you go with one of them or the other.

This is why I say it’s the ballot or the bullet. It’s liberty or it’s death. It’s freedom for everybody or freedom for nobody. America today finds herself in a unique situation. Historically, revolutions are bloody, oh yes they are. They have never had a bloodless revolution. Or a non-violent revolution. That don’t happen even in Hollywood. You don’t have a revolution in which you love your enemy. And you don’t have a revolution in which you are begging the system of exploitation to integrate you into it. Revolutions overturn systems. Revolutions destroy systems.

A revolution is bloody, but America is in a unique position. She’s the only country in history, in the position actually to become involved in a bloodless revolution. The Russian Revolution was bloody, Chinese Revolution was bloody, French Revolution was bloody, Cuban Revolution was bloody. And there was nothing more bloody than the American Revolution. But today, this country can become involved in a revolution that won’t take bloodshed. All she’s got to do is give the black man in this country everything that’s due him, everything.

I hope that the white man can see this. Because if you don’t see it you’re finished. If you don’t see it you’re going to become involved in some action in which you don’t have a chance. We don’t care anything about your atomic bomb; it’s useless, because other countries have atomic bombs. When two or three different countries have atomic bombs, nobody can use them. So it means that the white man today is without a weapon. If you want some action you’ve got to come on down to Earth, and there’s more black people on Earth than there are white people.

So it’s the ballot or the bullet. Today, our people can see that we’re faced with a government conspiracy. This government has failed us. The senators who are filibustering concerning your and my rights, that’s the government. Don’t say it’s southern senators, this is the government. This is a government filibuster. It’s not a segregationist filibuster, it’s a government filibuster. Any kind of activity that takes place on the floor of the Congress or the Senate, that’s the government. Any kind of dilly-dallying, that’s the government. Any kind of pussy-footing, that’s the government. Any kind of act that’s designed to delay or deprive you and me, right now, of getting full rights, that’s the government that’s responsible. And anytime you find the government involved in a conspiracy to violate the citizenship or the civil rights of a people in 1964, then you are wasting your time going to that government expecting redress. Instead you have to take that government to the world court and accuse it of genocide and all of the other crimes that it is guilty of today.

If you pan the image to the side, you'll find democrats in the corner masturbating over their moral superiority as they funnel more weapons to israel to carry out genocide.

I think anyone who's over the age of 20 and doesn't have an unmedicated anxiety disorder can remember how many "fate of our democracy" elections we've had. Remember Bush? Obama? Trump (1)? The only thing dying regardless of who gets the white house is the two geriatric fucks fighting over it.

I did not build or consent to this governmental arrangement, and would have been excluded from voting during its formation. I am willing to take a project other people build as my own if I believe it is well intentioned. A well intentioned representative democracy minimally allows me to vote FOR someone who I think is a good person and will make good decisions on behalf of me and mine. Minimally, I refuse to be bullied into putting my own principles on the line by endorsing anyone who I believe will mistreat any sector of the world population. The vast majority of policy does not follow voter preferences anyway.

votes 3rd party because why would I vote for a genocide funder or an insurrectionist

EDIT: U.S signs off more bombs, warplanes for Israel

Yeah, definitely a candidate worth voting for amirite.

But if you say you're voting for who you actually believe in, and it's not one of the two, you're also "throwing your vote away" according to many. Anytime I see this all I see is blackmail. "Vote my way or bad things will happen".

It's not a choice, it's coercion. One side actively threatens it and the other side passively threatens it. It's all just threats if you don't fall in line.

I'm progressive leaning, living in a large California city that will absolutely go blue as well as the state. I see no point in voting for Biden other than to add to the exclamation point of the popular vote which doesn't actually matter for anything. I will vote local and state level, but I don't see the point in voting for Biden as he's not really a candidate I can get behind and my vote is irrelevant thanks to the antiquated electoral college. Change my mind?

Hard pass there, votes are earned, and Biden has given us thousands of reasons why we shouldnt vote for him and none as to why. He could do a total 180 and most of us will still remember what hes allowed to happen. I expect politicians to do what’s right the first time, not change course because it might impact their chances of staying in power.

There’s a lot of nuance and discussion that is just ignored by online people regarding this discussion. I’m sick of the fighting.

No.

I will never vote for Joe Biden again.

Jews need to check their privilege.

I refuse to have Biden elected again just so he can sit in his office and say, "can you believe it? We supported a genocide and killed 30 thousand and people still voted for me!" I know the other option is trump the terrible but at least your strategically setting a precedence that this type of behavior is unacceptable and will send a signal to future presidents.