Conservatives are on a mission to dismantle the US government and replace it with Trump's vision
Conservatives are on a mission to dismantle the US government and replace it with Trump's vision
With more than a year to go before the 2024 election, a constellation of conservative organizations is preparing for a possible second White House term for Donald Trump.
Anyone that thinks the Orange Buffoon has a plan other than get as much cash from the marks as possible is willfully ignoring the obvious.
121It's the people behind him we have to worry about. Like the Fedlist society.
98This.
Trump served his purpose. He showed that the answer to the question of "I'll do what I want, what are you going to do about it?" is often "Nothing". He exposed the fact that the Constitution offers little to no real way of enforcing the rules stated in it. He exposed every weakness that our entire system of government has, and he has coralled enough extremists on the right to force others to go along with his plans or face either political or physical retribution. He spent the past 8 years drawing a roadmap in orange crayon that even he could follow.
The MAGA movement has grown bigger than he is. Eventually, other GOP leaders and even the voting base will realize that the movement can and will go on with or without Trump. They will realize they don't specifically need him, and they'll be looking for his successor. And that's when you have to worry. DeSantis has the personality of aged cheese, and Ramaswamy looks to be all sizzle but no steak. But eventually, somebody is going to emerge. Somebody is going to have all of Trump's ideas, all of his charisma, and none of the baggage.
And that person will be infinitely more dangerous than Trump could ever dream of being. Trump may not have a grand plan because he has the mental capacity of a cashew. But the next person will. And that's when we're in trouble. If someone had enough ability and intelligence to enact even 10% of the MAGA movement's ideas, Trump's presidency will look like utopia by comparison. You know how DeSantis keeps saying he wants to make America like Florida? That. That's what we'd get from whoever Trump's successor ends up being.
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Yeah, thinking he has a “vision” of anything besides cash, hamberders and prostitutes is giving him way too much credit. The plan to ruin society existed well before he entered politics and has nothing at all to do with him except he typifies Republican attitudes and makes a great frontman for them.
12Now, now, let's not forget he's also interested in raping kids
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I wish we could stop calling them "conservatives," because they're anything but.
Far-right fascist extremists just doesn't roll off the tongue as well. "Magats" does, though.
There were also some good ideas in how to deal with those types back in the 1930s and 40s. Maybe we should look into that.
62They most certainly are conservatives
Just because we might know more moderate ones in our lives and thus be reluctant to lump them in with the extremists by using the same term doesn't mean they're not still conservative
Conservatism is garbage and these shits are a great example as to why
30I'm talking about the semantics of the name, not the group. They're "conservatives" as a group label, but they aren't conservative by definition. The very label is an oxymoron.
But maybe that fits since the members are regular morons.
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Conservatives formed the Confederacy to protect their racist beliefs, this is on par with how they always have been.
10I feel like you're making it too easy for conservatives if you just distance the people associating with them.
8What exactly is it that you think conservatives have been trying to conserve all this time? They are definitely conservative. You might not be. But the term is absolutely accurate to apply to them.
5I wish we could stop calling them “conservatives,” because they’re anything but.
Nah, you've fallen for their lies.
The truth is that this is what conservatism always was. Conservatism is an unbroken thread from monarchists to Confederates to Nazis to Trump.
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As someone who went through highschool when Slipknot was blowing up, hell I'm listening to them right this second, I deplore the term Magat.
For those unaware, the Slipknot fans are referred to as maggots, hence songs like "Pulse of the Maggots" having a less grotesque meaning.
1Thank you. I’m a connective and share little in common with these asshats.
The only reason most people are running with Trump is he’s popular and I have no clue why. He isn’t conservative. He’s just a chucklehead. He was a liberal democrat when it benefited him. When he couldn’t get the nomination, he turned “conservative”.
-10I share very little in common with these asshats but I’ll still vote for them
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"Vision" may be too strong a word for Trump.
52Because it's not really his vision. He's just the anointed one.
15That's always the vibe I've gotten. He seems only barely aware of his role in events, which is part of why he can convince so many of his supporters that he's done not wrong. He genuinely believes it.
He's more of a figurehead than anything, propped up by numerous disparate groups, none of whom are in total control and thus can't actually defy whatever Trump says, even when it ends up being harmful to the overall cause. I think American fascism is something like a stand alone complex, basically.
Of course, I'm no expert. Maybe he's a super mastermind playing 5d chess with America ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
8That's the answer. He mostly believes what he says.
"Remember, it's not a lie if you believe it!"
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Is this any surprise? I applaud the effort to state it plainy, but if you've been paying attention to the development of the MAGA movement since 2015 it seems pretty obvious that authoritarian facism on behalf of the white supremacists has always been the goal.
39BuT wHaT eVeN iS a WhItE sUpReMiCiSt?
-- fascist who is beloved by white supremacists
16MAGA is a white supremacy dog whistle. The exact type of whistle the GOP has been training its base on since at least the 1950s.
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Burn it all down to save one convicted rapist, confirmed con man and traitor.
29Nah, he's just the excuse. This is what they've wanted to do all along -- fundamentally, conservatives crave autocracy. Hell, they haven't been happy ever since we booted out George III!
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January 6 is an ongoing effort.
24Stop saying authoritarian government is “trumps vision.” That makes it sound like when he’s gone, it won’t be their vision.
Authoritarian government and total control over the people has always been the GOP’s goal. They say “freedom,” but they mean freedom for the 1% to get rich.
19I think Trump sped it up, but the same people hiding in their snake holes were working on getting here for years. When Trump goes, they all need to go with him, or they'll just anoint someone else.
5Yeah, this isn't some single guy that started it all or perpetuating it on his own.
Trump is just the leader because he says the terrible parts out loud while the rest of the party has been sneak it in through less obvious propaganda for decades. He only got that position because the whole party is in agreement and a significant portion of the public was already on board.
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well, maybe...they should TrY tHaT iN a SmALl ToWn. i wish them the worst of luck
9This is the best summary I could come up with:
With a nearly 1,000-page “Project 2025” handbook and an “army” of Americans, the idea is to have the civic infrastructure in place on Day One to commandeer, reshape and do away with what Republicans deride as the “deep state” bureaucracy, in part by firing as many as 50,000 federal workers.
Instead, Trump-era conservatives want to gut the “administrative state” from within, by ousting federal employees they believe are standing in the way of the president’s agenda and replacing them with like-minded officials more eager to fulfill a new executive’s approach to governing.
Much of the new president’s agenda would be accomplished by reinstating what’s called Schedule F — a Trump-era executive order that would reclassify tens of thousands of the 2 million federal employees as essentially at-will workers who could more easily be fired.
Experts argue Schedule F would create chaos in the civil service, which was overhauled during President Jimmy Carter’s administration in an attempt to ensure a professional workforce and end political bias dating from 19th century patronage.
The ideas contained in Heritage’s coffee table-ready book are both ambitious and parochial, a mix of longstanding conservative policies and stark, head-turning proposals that gained prominence in the Trump era.
There are proposals to have the Pentagon “abolish” its recent diversity, equity and inclusion initiatives, what the project calls the “woke” agenda, and reinstate service members discharged for refusing the COVID-19 vaccine.
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9It’s endgame for the republican traitor filth. Now the voters and juries decide the Republic’s fate.
8They know that Trump demands it.
7“We need to flood the zone with conservatives,” said Paul Dans
An apt rewording of Bannon's famous quote.
6I'm sure all the big businesses are on board for changing of entire federal department workforces every 4 years. They'll really be able to count on consistent rules to plan their business. Riiiiight.
5Trump or Trump's puppet masters?
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