oh no, the organisation founded by a Swedish EA with a racism scandal is defunct! No, not that one, the other one
oh no, the organisation founded by a Swedish EA with a racism scandal is defunct! No, not that one, the other one
As superpredicted here by us, the superpredictors.
17Over time FHI faced increasing administrative headwinds within the Faculty of Philosophy (the Institute’s organizational home). Starting in 2020, the Faculty imposed a freeze on fundraising and hiring. In late 2023, the Faculty of Philosophy decided that the contracts of the remaining FHI staff would not be renewed. On 16 April 2024, the Institute was closed down.
Sound like Oxford increasingly did not want anything to do with them.
edit: Here's a 94 page "final report" that seems more geared towards a rationalist audience.
Wonder what this was about:
Why we failed [...] There also needs to be an understanding of how to communicate across organizational communities. When epistemic and communicative practices diverge too much, misunderstandings proliferate. Several times we made serious missteps in our communications with other parts of the university because we misunderstood how the message would be received. Finding friendly local translators and bridgebuilders is important.
17everything in that "why we failed" breakdown is a work of art each to itself. babbie's first interaction with the real world each and every one of 'em
18FHI was basically funded by one guy, James Martin - a computer millionaire. (His Wikipedia article misses the source of his wealth, but he owned a private island and the Oxford Martin School donation was the largest single donation in Oxford University's history.) He died in 2013. Its days were numbered at that point. https://www.oxfordmartin.ox.ac.uk/about/founder/
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Yeah it's a bit of a relief to see everyone around him apparently knew he was a hack. Might have wanted to act on it sooner though!!
11my Perverse Incentives Rule Everything Around Me shirt has people asking a lot of questions already answered by...
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Why we failed: we tried explaining why everyone else was wrong and we were right, but somehow it didn't work. We would have needed outsiders who could have translated our obviously correct explanations to the other outsiders, then it totally would have worked. But our for hire signs with "can you talk stupid?" was misunderstood and defaced. Clearly a more stealthy tactic was needed.
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An association designed to stand the test of time - or at least until the stolen crypto money runs out.
16I'm sure they could have found someone in the EA ecoystem to throw them money if it weren't for the fundraising freeze. This seems like a case of Oxford killing the institute deliberately. The 2020 freeze predates the Bostrom email, this guy who was consulted by oxford said there was a dysfunctional relationship for many years.
It's not like oxford is hurting for money, they probably just decided FHI was too much of a pain to work with and hurt the oxford brand.
14my near-completely data-less guess: frozen in 2020 among many other things that year that had sudden stoppages, no clear reason to get unfrozen after that, and then when their ties and batshit ideas got a bit too popular recently it became easy to drop them like a rock
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I would say "called it", but it's really not a hard guess :D
8goodness
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HN gets the news
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40065862
Choice entry: Oxford dumped them because CS Lewis taught there and he would have hated them:
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40066549
Also standard orange site/tech views on race and IQ...
9ffs...
orange site poster finds 2 and 2, struggles to come to terms with the fact that they add to 4:
Every time race comes up on HackerNews i am shocked at how horrifyingly racist (some) users of this site are. Not only did a user somehow think that this context would exonerate this very racist man, both you and I are getting immediately downvoted for disagreeing. There was a post last week or so that was so full of racist comments it just got taken down. I wonder what on earth brings together HackerNews and racism like this.
I wonder mate...
A shining HN knight hoists themself onto their (very) high horse to respond:
You know, topics like this are not always black and white. There is a full-range, nuance and discussion.
I'd also wager that the downvotes here are because this flame-bait kind of comments are not appropriate for HN, or if they are appropriate then some might not think it's contributing to the discussion anyways.
Me, I think the refusal by some to admit (or accept) that the full-context post adds to the discussion and to instead double-down and cry more racism is definitely not constructive.
I'm honestly getting tired of these "race card" low-blows and one-sided thinking shutting down conversation.
8I didn’t realize stormfront had swiped HN’s CSS and page layout, but that’s the only explanation for that (parent) thread.
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Seeing more pushback than I would have expected on EAs, EACCs, and Bostroms than I would have expected.
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@dgerard Oh no, no future https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BaHhxRGYjFA
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