archTFM

Is this the guy who makes alt right comics?

Edit: yeah, it's George Alexopoulos. They're a good artist, but they're pretty nasty. I wouldn't post their stuff.

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I've seen a few great Linux memes with this, but I think the biggest insult would be for people to use it as a template for things he doesn't believe in.

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- Mockery is the sincerest form of insult. I hope this meme lasts forever.
  
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Idk, I find his comics to be the quintessential example of "so bad it's good". By some great cosmic irony, nobody can satirize his views better than he can.

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- It's hard to look away from a train wreck; I don't blame you for looking. But perhaps it's better to avoid that type of behavior, altogether.
  
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This is an edit, original had the bible

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- "They're the same picture"
  
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I never knew why people need to conflate the personality or political opinions of the artist with the art they make.

In my opinion, even if the artist is a terrible human being they can still produce some good art. And even if the art they produce is crap, it can still prove valuable, as it can be parodied, modified, transformed or mocked.

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- Are you ignoring the fact that the artist in question specifically makes anti-left propoganda? Like it's literally their entire identity to try (and fail) to make fun of leftist politics
  
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- Well, art is political by its very nature. It is inherently filled with the views and beliefs of the artist, and it's important to point out the dangerous ones so people are aware and to prevent a potential slippery slope to radicalization. Or to prevent moments like that time Smash Mouth unknowingly retweeted art from a famous lolicon artist.
  
  As for the rest, I completely agree. One of the ways to deal with a shitty person is to take their propaganda and meme the shit out of it.
  
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- I suggest looking through his twitter feed (not saying you didn't) and paying close attention to the depiction of (not/) favoured men/ women. Twitter links warning In this cartoon (twitter) you can see the unnecessary sexualisation, while this one shows the exact opposite (cuz political enemy and black, idk). Also: Usual depiction of Joe Biden, heavy incel vibes and a masterpiece in bigotry. Make of that what you will, but I think stripping all his influence out of his cartoons would be more work than actually drawing new ones.___
  
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Okay but tbf the arch wiki is probably the only source of online documentation that is actually up to date lol.

I abuse it for literally every stupid corner case on any distro

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Gentoo wiki is sometimes better for non-systemd stuff tho.

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Cause literally everything is in the wiki, written out very simply. Rewriting that in a chat and email would be counter productive.

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It's the same shit as working tech support, no one EVER reads manuals or does standard troubleshooting, they instantly jump to asking people for help which forces them to just read out the manual and troubleshooting steps first instead of actually helping those who need help..

If people could learn to take care of the fundamentals themselves and only ask for help when actually needed, everyone would be better off.

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- I'm too much of an internet introvert to ask people my problems, I just spend 1h debugging and reading the wiki
  
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- You clearly have never worked a customer service job in your life. That’s never going to happen. The more popular Linux gets the more this will occur. I’ve literally had to hand hold people setting up their first iPhone. It doesn’t get simpler than that.
  
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- As a fellow ex-help desk guy :tm:. I just want to say that A) I feel you but also B) the very fact that you know no one reads manuals should be an indication that expecting them to is a flaw. Instead most people generally do better with hands on coaching. Idk about your job, but back when I was working help desk I got way better results when I let people just be people and patiently guided them through the steps. Most of them catch on eventually
  
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- I hate that, because when i call tech support i have to listen to them walk me through the basic steps before i get to the parts i need. I try telling them I've already worked through basic troubleshooting, but most of them are reading a script for every idiot that calls.
  
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As a noob to Linux: THERE'S A WIKI? Awesome!

As a mechanic: Everything I deal with comes with an instruction manual that has the steps written out simply.... for a mechanic.

If I didn't ask the simple questions when I first started, despite having the manual available, never would have learned the basics from someone who knows.

I'm not trying to sound combative or anything, just that sometimes a person needs a small stepping stone of an answer to progress.

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Hopefully /s

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I've been bitter enough to copy and paste it into a chatbox.

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I get your sentiment on people skipping the reasearch part and jumping to asking help but I wouldn't say everything is documented tho. Although for the few problems that I did have arch documentation was pretty nice. I myself have an bluetooth bug that I eventually gave up as I couldn't find a fix to it, that's the only post I made with this account if u want to look it up. With things constantly changing and the infinite possibilities of config, there will always be some unknown bugs or issues that no documentation can cover.

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Ok brb putting a bunch of shit into that wiki to build my botnet

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Pretty hard to do before you get your GUI up and running...

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- ctrl-alt-f3
  
  edit: I mean just ssh from a real computer
  
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- I've never used arch. I haven't a problem getting a GUI working in Linux since, I think, Mandrake 8. The fuck are you guys doing wrong?
  
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"hello fellow linux users, I'm having a problem

"you fucking noob, go to the fucking wiki"

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lol! this was primarily the reason why i went with endeavourOS. I actually installed arch linux on my laptop later by using archinstall which made the process a whole lot easier, but of course these elitists come out and claim that's not the "real" way to install arch 🙄

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- those people suck. some people enjoy the pain i guess but shitting on others is dumb. Arch is pretty great but the fan base is insufferable. I use arch btw.
  
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- The fun part about the internet not actually being real is that you can just ignore them because opinions from strangers are as worthless as an NFT
  
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I'm having a simple problem

switch distros idiot

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It's funny because it's a good suggestion...

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I ~~love~~ hate it when it's a fairly simple issue and the op gets everything but the answer because people just want to talk shit.

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"Just Google it!"

Proceeds to Google the issue, top result is the same thread.

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I was just getting into Linux desktop development. I asked one question regarding getting the position of a mouse on some Ubuntu developer forum. The response drove me away from developing for Linux and I never returned.

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You perhaps could not have known it at that time, but development questions are almost always out of place with a distribution forum. Qt or GTK documentation would probably have been a better stop.

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Unlike the wacky original this edit is too real.

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what was the original?

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- Basically the atheist dad yelling and screaming at his daughter for not being gay and not wanting to have abortions. Typical fundie Christians projecting their inner most thoughts and darkest desires onto their opponents thinking.
  
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Ay thanks

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Funnily enough with how popular and broad the wiki has gotten some people are just searching “[problem statement] linux” and having the top results be arch wiki links so the idea of an arch manual being handed to someone new isn’t that far off

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- I once solved a problem with my hackintosh thanks to arch wiki.
  
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- Honestly I've always been a Debian based guy but thought I would try Manjaro to see how an Arch based desktop would work.
  
  First distro I've ever run that worked absolutely, completely 100% out of the box and I've been a Linux desktop user for over 20 years. No proprietary drivers, graphics or networking issues, literally 10 minute setup. I would recommend it to a beginner for sure.
  
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Their wiki is amazing but if I had to be a part of the Arch community to use the distro, I would give it a hard pass. They're toxic AF.

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Eh, the toxic ones are just the loudest, the same applies anywhere else too.

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- I DON’T KNOW WHAT YOU MEAN!!
  
  -Mandrake Linux. (Is that distro even still around?)
  
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- I understand your point but if you end up on their forum through searches, it's pretty clear that the majority of participants are the loud ones, making it irrelevant how many quiet ones aren't participating. You're just reading a topic between someone needing help and a group of people trolling them because they can.
  
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The solution I’ve sort-of found is to go to communities of Arch-based systems instead of Arch itself. The same solution should work in most cases*, and the communities are more newbie-friendly.

*Depends on how close to Arch the distro is in this aspect/subsystem. The Manjaro community is probably less likely to offer AUR based solutions, since the AUR can be unreliable/unsafe on Manjaro.

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If you are new and need help you can ask in the newbie corner. Most people are really helpful there even with the most trivial problem. Well you can also use it if you are more experienced, it is a nice place to get help and participate.

In other forums you are expected to have done some research first though, e.g. checked the wiki and maybe the bug tracker first and provide your relevant logs. That's what might get you in this comics situation though.

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That’s one based neck beard

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Just a rearranged comic strip from yesterday.

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I'm just thinking about the scene in Hackers where they are sharing their books. Wasn't the "ugly red book that doesn't fit on a desk" the unix manual? 🤣

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It so true though. I've never run arch, but their documentation is so great.

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Erased some text for meming. Enjoy.

https://files.catbox.moe/c9qs9b.png

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Here's the clean template: https://discuss.tchncs.de/post/2730869 (idk how to link to lemmy posts properly)

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And remember kids, if you do decide to give an answer other than RTFM, make sure to cover all your prompts in tons of awk commands so the noob will never be able to figure out what you told them to do;

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Arch is literally easier than mint

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I used to use Ubuntu on my netbook years and years ago, until I came to the conclusion "dammit, at this point, I would have had easier time if I had just installed Debian to begin with", and installed Debian

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I would say for a out of the box and for a beginner is mint way easier than arch. Try to explain your grandma what a kernel is and how modules work in there. Mint autoinstalls every printer driver and co. Arch doesn't. I use arch btw at home but I would never install it for a beginner

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lol i love these edits

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yeah, I really like the template as well

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I love what you did with the meme

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I started with linux mint, and if I had to start again I would still go with mint as my first distro. It was just familiar enough while allowing me to figure out what was different on linux. I only switched to arch due to the quality of the wiki and the AUR (after a short trial run of manjaro).

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Btw, what happened with VNC? Archwiki only redirects to a shallow article of tightvnc.

Should i go with something different for gaming (no lag)? Rustdesk does lag.

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I've had good luck with the streaming in Steam. It used to be called in home streaming, but they changed the name and I forget what is called. It works very well in the house, I've used it to play some games with difficult platforming and it was fine. It even works over the Internet, although I assume there would be some lag that way. I've only played civilization 6 from a different location so I couldn't tell if it was lagging.

Easy to set up too, just turn on the option for the host and open steam. From the client, log in with the same username and turn it on. When you look at your games, you have the option of playing local or remote.

Make sure you use hardware video decoding, I had a ton of lag before I got that working right

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- That's an option for Steam games, thanks. But most of my games are from other sources (isthereanydeal) and adding them all to steam is a pain.
  
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Is there any easy remote desktop solution for gaming at all on Linux?
From what I've seen it's all either too hard, at least for me, to get running (Sunshine/Moonlight) or not performant enough (anything VNC or RDP based, Rustdesk without self-hosting the server)

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- VNC is supposed to be the more performant solution. Is there any better?
  
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How do you even pronounce it?

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Arc Hlinux

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People who don't RTFM do archTFM.

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What was this originally?

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Some pretty bad right wing cartoon about how unchristian families force their beliefs onto their children. In the spirit of fair use, I chose to credit that guy anyways.

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You spelled Debian wrong in this comic about the supreme Linux distribution.

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Arch wiki is really really great, a big thank you to all its contributors.

I use Debian btw. 🍻

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Wait have the arch twats adopted the "rtfm" of old?

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